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Has anyone withdrawn their child from collective worship?
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Really? I'm pretty sure most schools in the UK don't have a requirement to have Christian Worship and sermons, certainly not the ones my brothers and I went to.
Edit: after a bit more reading, it does seem that they do - we went to school in Scotland if that makes a difference?
Further edit: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/educatio...ory-daily-worship-in-schools-says-Clarke.html
"All state schools are required under the 1944 Act to hold a compulsory daily act of worship but most — apart from the 6,800 faith schools — ignore the law."
That would explain why I was ignorant of the fact
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Really? I'm pretty sure most schools in the UK don't have a requirement to have Christian Worship and sermons, certainly not the ones my brothers and I went to.
Edit: after a bit more reading, it does seem that they do - we went to school in Scotland if that makes a difference?
Further edit: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/educatio...ory-daily-worship-in-schools-says-Clarke.html
"All state schools are required under the 1944 Act to hold a compulsory daily act of worship but most — apart from the 6,800 faith schools — ignore the law."
That would explain why I was ignorant of the fact
every school i know does it.
never heard of one not doing it, Scotland does it too.
your school almost certainly did it.
On the actual subject - sometimes a leader/teacher in any subject can lose their way and no longer be fit for the work that they do, if you are unhappy with that specific person and the way that they teach then I completely agree that you should take your daughter out.
It may however be that you're not alone with your thoughts and other parents might have expressed concern already - in which case the school board should probably be contacted.
Ask around the other parents or something.
It may however be that you're not alone with your thoughts and other parents might have expressed concern already - in which case the school board should probably be contacted.
Ask around the other parents or something.
On the actual subject - sometimes a leader/teacher in any subject can lose their way and no longer be fit for the work that they do, if you are unhappy with that specific person and the way that they teach then I completely agree that you should take your daughter out.
It may however be that you're not alone with your thoughts and other parents might have expressed concern already - in which case the school board should probably be contacted.
Ask around the other parents or something.
but its not a teacher, its the religious leader conducting the weekly religious services.
I think I know what you're saying - typing on a phone perhaps?
So you never remembered them teaching you about hell, being gay is wrong, or any if the worst bits of the bible? I find that hard to be live. I grew up around Christians and that's so far from my experience and denominator made no difference at all.
The whole love my neighbour and such things sucker people in to thinking they are all nice, when in reality it is so different. The nice teachings pale into obscurity compared to the rest of the bible and what most religious people actually practice. It very much teaches people to be judgmental.
Why subject kids to the massive negatives, when religion dies not hold the key to being nice. These are all things that can easy be taught with out the fear, without being judgmental.
However everyone should have considerable RE lessons, as unfortunately mass religion is here to stay and people need to know how different people live, to be more tolerant.
i think they should bundle RE with other imaginative greats such as;
Ghost stories,
Alternative healing, including uses for whales and tigers,
fairies,
Monsters,
The boogie man,
Aliens abductions,
Chem' trails,
spirituality,
ohhh, and popular at the moment, flat earth theorists,
and the thing with planetary alignment and star signs etc.
should be taught as the shenanigans it is, and people can laugh at the stupid.
Ghost stories,
Alternative healing, including uses for whales and tigers,
fairies,
Monsters,
The boogie man,
Aliens abductions,
Chem' trails,
spirituality,
ohhh, and popular at the moment, flat earth theorists,
and the thing with planetary alignment and star signs etc.
should be taught as the shenanigans it is, and people can laugh at the stupid.
Interestingly, there was a study a while ago which found that religious kids were, indeed, meaner and more judgemental than their secular counterparts:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/06/religious-children-less-altruistic-secular-kids-study
And, whilst those kids were measurably more horrible, their own parents actually thought them to be more empathetic.
A, rather simple, conclusion from that would be that, if you want your children to be kind and pleasant, keep them away from religion.
Learning about religion is not the same as being indoctrinated
In the same way that sex education is not the same as sleeping with your teacher.
Shame. School would have been..... Better.
His daughter could have been pursuing reasonable academic study to question what the teacher was saying, or make zero effort and fail an easy exam. Given that RE is required by law to be non-proselytising, what harm is there in learning about other cultures? Hell, what harm is there in learning about "British Values"? Like it or not, they're born out of Christianity.
Like I said, nothing to be proud of.
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Nope, absolutely nothing of that nature! I'm not Christian either, so I have no reason to defend it.
I had no teachings of being gay being wrong at my CofE schools, and nor have my two boys. We weren't taught about hell either, nor heaven for that matter, unless it was a very 'soft touch' approach that I didn't notice - I find this unlikely unless it was only very early on.
I learned about the two in my own time.
I learned about the two in my own time.
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I am also not Christian but went to a Catholic primary, secondary and sixth form school. Never was religion forced on us, never were outdated traditional values even taught to us as proper Christian values. Hell, one of the R.E teachers was in a lesbian relationship with one of the art teachers. Hell and heaven was not the subject of any of our teachings except when discussing the outdated thoughts of religious people thousands of years ago.
It is not religion that causes these negative issues but rather the nutcases who use religion as a moral crutch when judging other people and brainwashing vulnerable minds.
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If anything, the emphasis was on thanking God for the nice things in life. There was some teaching that God created the world and the life in it, but it was very soft (no over zealous emphasis) and I don't really see a problem with that in young children, especially if it's addressed properly in science classes. It's not like it was fundamental in any way, and it's not like we didn't read about space and the creation of the universe in books or see it on TV!
But yes, nothing negative.
But yes, nothing negative.
so hook you in then mess you up.
so nothing like the OP then, did you go to worship or anything else. or literally just the school lessons.
taught in science lesson? what. It should never ever be taught in science lesson, it is not a science
so nothing like the OP then, did you go to worship or anything else. or literally just the school lessons.
taught in science lesson? what. It should never ever be taught in science lesson, it is not a science
There was worship and praying yes.
No... It was not taught as a science, nor did I say it was. For clarification though, I meant that I have no problem with fleeting religious teachings in schools when subjects are addressed properly in science classes. I wouldn't expect the age of the earth or biodiversity to be addressed in anything but the most fleeting of passings until secondary school.
Yes - it would be a problem if religious teachings were taught as a science. Not that was a point that I raised
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If I had a child and someone said that to them, I would be lucky not to go around and swing at him or her, and in my opinion that is child abuse.