IPS to TN would I notice?

Can't say I've noticed any hate for IPS, nor any particular love for VA :p

Lots of people are aware of the limitations of IPS and the often poor build quality that dogs high end monitors, but I mostly see people craving these sorts of panels.
 
Arcane said:
If you were truly worried about colour accuracy you'd not be using a cheap 8 bit IPS panel anyway.
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Thanks again guys.

Arcane, are you talking (dissing ;) ) my Asus P238Q. When I got that panel it was one of the highest rated. I honestly didn't know or cared for colour accuarcy, they just said it was excellent. I didn't know again, that it was 8 bit. Was that good then? Probably. Pro-art meant (apparently) that it was individually calibrated prior to delivery. However, I take on board that, that was then, this is now & tech has - of course - moved on.

I'm still torn but at least I'm down to 3 (I suppose that's back to square one then). 278Q, 279Q & the new 271hu. I still have two months before money is available. At that time, I'll make a decision. I am surprised by the TN love especially in gaming (but as always, is that because that is what you've bought & feel loyal to your decision or are truly happy)

Please keep comments coming.
 
OK so last night I swapped out one of my Benq TN 144Hz panels and in it's place added an LG 29" 60Hz monitor and went on BF4 ...and I have to say that after about 15 minutes I had to put the TN back on ...it was horrible , fuzzy, dark, slow..and much lag ..but I did still get to take out a noob or two lol
 
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LG 29" 60Hz monitor .....but I did still get to take out a noob or two lol
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Hi, I assume the LG is an IPS (concerning my OP)? & good work on the noob count LOL

To update. Still looking at user reviews more than YT reviews (good advise ref cherry picked models). Did notice that Acer released a version 2 of the original XB270HU which is supposed to sort BLB.

Saying that, I much prefer the asthetics of the 271 still, but even this doesn't look as good as the 279Q (down to taste i suppose).

Ref OSD. I can't remember ever going into any of my monitors settings once set up. So going back to an earlier response, perhaps colour isn't high on my list.

My wants / needs are
- 27"
- For gaming only (directly in front) FPS mainly
- For games to look great & smooth (144hx + g-sync)
- Great response times sub 5ms
- Colours not to looked washed out & blacks....black.

Now apologies if I've just listed what would essentially be the end all of 27" monitors but you've got to ask... don't ask, don't get in my life.
 
Depends, when I upgraded to an IPS from a TN, the difference was huge.

However, I have seen some Acer monitors side by side (literally), one being a 32" IPS and the other being a 24" TN, and honestly, I was impressed with the TN.

The IPS definitely still looked better, but if someone told me the 24" was also an IPS, I wouldn't have doubted them too strongly so I guess it depends on the monitor meaning if you can, see them in person and take a photo.

P.S. Don't buy Acer monitors. They break like it's going out of fashion. (personal experience)
 
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P.S. Don't buy Acer monitors. They break like it's going out of fashion. (personal experience)
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Ok, I suppose again I can't take just one person's advice but its a valid point I will consider. Thank you.

I finally got into a 'shop' to view TN & IPS panels next to each other (also a VA).

The nearest to the spec I was after, was a 27" 1920x1080 G-Sync 144hz TN panel on show. Looked OK head on. But literally any movement (especially up/down) showed massive colour shift. Again, would I notice sat directly in front, probably not. But it just kept gnawing at me. I knew it was there. Bizarrely the colours were worse sat directly in front of it, you had to tilt the monitor back for the colours to be more accurate (in my eye).

Its worth noting the panel was at the cheaper end and not one of my wants (still a recognized brand though)

Also, said shop... hopeless. My sons (7) little finger knows more. It was as if I was after some rare alien artifact. Never again. OCUK all the way.
 
Some good TNs can provide good enough colour accuracy for them to be only marginally distinguishable from IPS screens, but only usually the expensive TNs. The difference in viewing angles between TNs and IPSs is night and day however, so if you're going to be viewing the screen from any direction other than head on, or want to watch a movie with a friend for instance, they become problematic quite quickly.
 
theMilitant said:
Some good TNs can provide good enough colour accuracy for them to be only marginally distinguishable from IPS screens, but only usually the expensive TNs. The difference in viewing angles between TNs and IPSs is night and day however, so if you're going to be viewing the screen from any direction other than head on, or want to watch a movie with a friend for instance, they become problematic quite quickly.
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On a large screen the viewing angle weaknesses of TN become an issue even during direct frontal viewing. The eyes subtend various different viewing angles depending on which part of the screen you're looking at. Even expensive TN models have significant saturation loss towards the bottom of the screen and increased saturation further up - for 27"+ models this is quite considerable.
 
PCM2 said:
On a large screen the viewing angle weaknesses of TN become an issue even during direct frontal viewing...for 27"+ models this is quite considerable.
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Excellent advice. Considering this & other comments. TN is now off the list.
I'm left with
XB271HU
PG279Q

I'm going towards the Asus, though it must be said ( I currently have Asus & have been very happy with it)
 
I have always used NEC or HP IPS, if I even look at a TN it looks washed out... Would love the faster refresh rates, but quality IPS screens are simply the best.
 
Heffer23 said:
Excellent advice. Considering this & other comments. TN is now off the list.
I'm left with
XB271HU
PG279Q

I'm going towards the Asus, though it must be said ( I currently have Asus & have been very happy with it)
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If you take a look at the numerous threads all over the web on the PG279Q, you may end up striking that off your list. Finding a good one seems an exercise in near futility, although some people have managed it. The XB271 uses a different back-light assembly, which is said to improve the BLB issues that plague the PG279Q (and the XB270HU, of which I went through x4 of before giving up). It's not widely available here in the UK yet (will be soon), but has been out in the US a couple of months now. Still some bad ones out there, but it does seem the odds are better, so I'd say that was your best option of the two. I'm pretty sure you can't turn off the rather bright power light on the front of the PG279Q either, which you can on the XB271, so that also gives it a SLIGHT edge. Basically, either one would be great IF you get a good panel, so you just need to go down the route that gives you the best odds of that.
 
yes the difference will be night and day. Is it worth it for a GAMING monitor to get G-SYNC etc...absolutely.

Knock Gamma down a bit and increase Digital Vibrance and you go someway to recovering some colour 'pop' without trashing out the IQ. I am very very happy with my TN ROG Swift and I run it side by side with a good IPS panel daily. I use the IPS for videos, colour critical work etc and game on the Swift.
 
Heffer23 said:
Hi all,

I currently have a 23" Asus IPS screen. I'm looking to go g-sync & importantly 27".

Options currently that I would consider
- XB270HU - £500+ (IPS)
- PG278Q - potential for sub £500 (TN)
- PG279Q - £700+ (IPS)

As I currently run an IPS panel, do you think I would be disappointed going back to a TN panel (278Q), more importantly would I notice?

I 95% game on my PC sitting directly in front of the screen (wifey does some spreadsheets for work), I never watch films & occasionally look at photos on it.

Thoughts please? Its very hard to view a TN next to an IPS just due to availablitiy at shops I've been to - very limited.
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I have the original Rog Swift and have had it since launch. I "Upgraded" from a lovely 2560x1440 Korean IPS monitor. I say upgraded because the swift has the best TN panel of any monitor.

Once calibrated via the OSD and correct Nvidia setting (colour wise) the monitor is as good as my IPS was. Colour wise and blacks. Yeah ok the viewing angles aren't as good but I tend to sit in front of it when I use it....

People **** off the swift as it is a "TN" panel. People forget it's a true 8Bit Panel and better than all the other TN panels out there.
 
8 bit TN @144hz with G-Sync is excellent, it's the best balance for gaming at the moment. The motion clarity is fantastic, no tearing and great colours.

Every single one of the available screens have characteristics that a vocal minority will jump on but really, if you use it for what is was designed for, gaming, you'll be impressed, they're great screens, my Swift is the best PC purchase I've made in years, it's superb.

I'd also like to know what colour critical work people seem to be doing? If so, I'm assuming they've invested in 10 bit panels, use hardware calibraters, have the Creative Suite set up to run FOGRA39, get wet proofs from the printer etc? Because it's not colour critical otherwise, not even close.
 
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I'd also like to know what colour critical work people seem to be doing? If so, I'm assuming they've invested in 10 bit panels, use hardware calibraters, have the Creative Suite set up to run FOGRA39, get wet proofs from the printer etc? Because it's not colour critical otherwise, not even close.
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Yeah you'd think 50% of the general population were professional graphics designers, given the amount of times the "colour critical work" line is trotted out. I'm all for people having a preference and I'm sure IPS is more accurate, but there's far, far too much talk of how important this is when it's really not relevant to many people at anything other than a preference level.
 
@Arcane & mulpsmebeauty:

I've always just considered that as a blanket statement for "IPS has better colours, whereas TN has washed out colors". Basically meaning that if IPS is good enough for colour critical work, then there's no need to worry about colour reproduction in the slightest. Whereas with TN, you have been warned that the colours are not that spectacular, and you've got only yourself to blame, if you still find them disappointing.

And speaking of "professional":
TN is indeed the de facto solution among professional gamers. But that's because there is some serious money involved, and they need every last important millisecond, even if it means that they'll have to compromise on every other aspect.

Unfortunately, 99% of us are NOT professional gamers. We don't play for money, we play for enjoyment. TN's superiority in pixel response times is not as critical as the vocal minority make it out to be, for AVERAGE gamers. For us mortals, the benefits of IPS are more than adequate to compensate for the slightly lower pixel response times. By going with TN, you gain 5%, but lose 25%. Don't get me wrong: for those who value the 5%, go ahead. But for the masses, the 25% is usually more appealing.

And sure, some of the IPS owners just want to "justify" their purchase. But I have no doubt that the same is happening among TN's ranks, as well.

Nevertheless, as the OP said it's mainly for gaming, maybe he should indeed try TN. Then he'll know whether the compromises are worth it for him, or not. Who knows, maybe it is a better option for him. But like said earlier, he's only got himself to blame, if he is still disappointed.
 
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