'Merica - Police runs down biker and kicks him to the ground

He didn't die and got some money, not a bad outcome after crossing paths with an incompetent police officer in US.
 
neoboy said:
He didn't die and got some money, not a bad outcome after crossing paths with an incompetent police officer in US.
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The issue is that the police officer isn't paying the payout, the local taxpayers are. The officer has kept his job with 0 repercussions, free to behave like this again. The police routinely commit gross errors and then have the taxpayer pay for it, it's a disgusting abuse of the system and exactly why ACAB stands true despite individual officers being fantastic, it is the institution that is broken.
 
hurfdurf said:
The issue is that the police officer isn't paying the payout, the local taxpayers are. The officer has kept his job with 0 repercussions, free to behave like this again. The police routinely commit gross errors and then have the taxpayer pay for it, it's a disgusting abuse of the system and exactly why ACAB stands true despite individual officers being fantastic, it is the institution that is broken.
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Yeah my post was tongue in cheek as this is pretty damn shocking. Motorcycle did break the law (although I wouldn't say he was particularly dangerous) but a modern society has laws for that kind of thing. Not ramming someone into the back with a much larger vehicle (did he even indicate to the motorcyclist to pull over?) and then kicking them into the chest with your foot.

Officers being personally responsibly for civil damages and claims could be one big can of worms that's rife for exploitation by the lawyers over there, but internally as an organisation letting someone get off with no repercussions is something that hugely undermines the reputation of the police over there.
 
What exactly do you expect to happen when you do multiple offences right in front of a cop then lead them on a 5 minute chase? Cop thought he was going to take off again and endanger more lives with reckless driving so nudged him over.
 
It looks like the cop knocked him over just in case he was going to do a runner but to try and then kick him was a bit much. In USA its always guns first, questions later! Biker was an idiot anyway
 
The kick was totally unnecessary. There is a second or so where the biker goes from a very passive pose, with palms facing up and looking non-threatening, to turning to face the officer in a more aggressive head up shoulders back. It's only a split second, but when I first watched it I thought "here we go, there's going to be violence..." Maybe the officer reacted to that. Still the kick was inappropriate.

However, I have no problem with him knocking him off the bike. It looked like he had been failing to stop for a while so in my mind preventing him from riding off is fair game. Play stupid games...
 
Looking forward to a world where police are ramming me in my vehicle or off my bike for traffic violations.

I only watched it once and there isn't any real sound per se but did he actually officially pull him over with lights and all? For all the biker knows it's some guy in his Mustang chasing after him trying to race.

EDIT: Ah yes he does put his lights on at which point he probably just goes into gung ho pursuit mode.
 
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Well the American police force did go to court and win, to make sure they are alowed to discriminate against employing people who's IQ they think is too high.
 
neoboy said:
Looking forward to a world where police are ramming me in my vehicle or off my bike for traffic violations.

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Pretty standard for contact to be made to stop a pursuit. Once someone makes off, even from a minor offence, there is then a suspicion that there may be a more serious offence. I for one want people to be stopped by the police when requested to. If they choose to try to escape I support the police using sufficient force to stop them.

In the uk this would not involve ramming a bike, maybe a car though. This softer approach though means that people on bikes and scooters can commit crime and the police are helpless to stop them. We're more worried about their safety than apprehending them.
 
I suspect being followed by a car with blue lights on is less noticeable on a bike, inside a car they tend to light up the whole interior and you have more mirrors to see behind you.

That said, this wasn't really about speeding but the fact that he was crossing multiple solid lines, which is a bit of a dick move for other road users.
 
josh_sheffield said:
Pretty standard for contact to be made to stop a pursuit. Once someone makes off, even from a minor offence, there is then a suspicion that there may be a more serious offence. I for one want people to be stopped by the police when requested to. If they choose to try to escape I support the police using sufficient force to stop them.

In the uk this would not involve ramming a bike, maybe a car though. This softer approach though means that people on bikes and scooters can commit crime and the police are helpless to stop them. We're more worried about their safety than apprehending them.
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American chases always seem to end with lots of ramming and a crash.


British chades just seem to get them cornered/tyres stingered
 
Yes in the uk a tactical stop will attempt to avoid contact if possible but contact can and will be made in some circumstances. Or if they are on a bike/scooter we just let them go in the uk. Especially if they aren't wearing a helmet. Of course the criminals know this and take advantage of it.
 
British police don't have the budget to be crashing into cars willy nilly!

I just rewatched the video and didn't even realise it was a pursuit the first time round. Hard to say if a biker does at first too frankly, application of violence here from the police officer is still unnecessary and he just looks like the type who loves a good excuse to kick someone. Courts seemed to have agreed with that.
 
josh_sheffield said:
In the uk this would not involve ramming a bike, maybe a car though. This softer approach though means that people on bikes and scooters can commit crime and the police are helpless to stop them. We're more worried about their safety than apprehending them.
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The "softer approach" means that police in the UK are less likely to be held liable for causing death or serious injury as a result of a pursuit.

American policing needs some serious reform anyway. They have far too many agencies and it appears their training and oversight is completely inconsistent.
 
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The "softer approach" means that police in the UK are less likely to be held liable for causing death or serious injury as a result of a pursuit.
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Yeah fair enough. I wouldn't really want someone to die as a result of a minor traffic infraction, but that begs the question why refuse to stop?

What is ridiculous though, is for more serious crimes, such as robbery, mugging etc. All the criminal has to do is remove their helmet and the chase is likely to be called off. This is crazy! Fair enough call off the chase if there is an unjustifiable risk to the public but surely the idiot on the bike who has chosen to take off his helmet and flee from the police has made that choice himself and should be responsible himself for the consequences.
 
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