Bradley Manning - 35yrs in the slammer :(

Jay · 22 Aug 2013 at 22:57

Fenris said:
I'm sure he did know the consequences of his actions, making what he did even more important and worthy of respect, hopefully it won't deter future "traitors" from stepping forward when they realise their governments are going too far.

It takes real bravery to do what Manning did, knowing what would happen to him if he did it. The only thing he is a traitor to is a corrupt government.

Well said my friend.

Feef · 22 Aug 2013 at 23:04

V F said:
The fact that some men want to be women and some women want to be men

Care to explain why that's a problem?

Jay · 22 Aug 2013 at 23:05

Ghosteh said:
He got sentenced for releasing classified government secret documents. I've signed a very similar bit of paper that he would have saying I'd receive prison sentence if I did the same.

If you were in Mannings position and seen all the footage and evidance of war crimes your Government was doing in foreign lands, you are telling us you could turn a blind eye to it?

Xordium · 22 Aug 2013 at 23:16

Jay said:
If you were in Mannings position and seen all the footage and evidance of war crimes your Government was doing in foreign lands, you are telling us you could turn a blind eye to it?

If you were in Mannings position and seen all the footage and evidance of war crimes your Government was doing in foreign lands, you are telling us you would release everything you could get your hands on irrespective of its relevance?

Ghosteh · 22 Aug 2013 at 23:19

Jay said:
If you were in Mannings position and seen all the footage and evidance of war crimes your Government was doing in foreign lands, you are telling us you could turn a blind eye to it?

I'd like to think not. But I'd also like to think I'd not just release a plethora of documents which had nothing to do with any war crimes, and could ultimately lead to innocent people being killed.

StriderX · 23 Aug 2013 at 00:14

Ghosteh said:
I'd like to think not. But I'd also like to think I'd not just release a plethora of documents which had nothing to do with any war crimes, and could ultimately lead to innocent people being killed.

Who cares if "innocent people" are killed, hundreds of thousands have died because of our incompetence to hold our government to order.

A few lives lost to regain a vital societal balance is worth it.

/not even joking, exaggerating...i guess.

Kaapstad · 23 Aug 2013 at 00:20

thedoc46 said:
I'm thinking the ladyboy is going to be enjoying himself with Bubba.

Yogi bear might have a thing to say about that.

V F · 23 Aug 2013 at 00:31

Feef said:
Care to explain why that's a problem?

You don't see there's a problem with that?

KautoStar · 23 Aug 2013 at 02:29

If only we gave Piers Morgan at least 35 years for his treason. Or execution.

Is it just me or is the tranny story to obvious?

EdGey · 23 Aug 2013 at 05:59

Now he's saying he's female and wants to live as a woman. Possibly an attempt to avoid going to a mens prison? I don't blame him...

MookJong · 5 Feb 2016 at 08:53

Assange could be leaving the embassy today...there is a press conference at noon

Rolling coverage here:

http://www.theguardian.com/media/li...itrarily-detained-un-panel-finds-live-updates

Elrein · 5 Feb 2016 at 11:51

Haha

MookJong · 5 Feb 2016 at 11:53

Just when you thought this story couldn't get any more bizarre....it really is stranger than fiction.

George Hincapie · 5 Feb 2016 at 12:15

matt_fsr said:
Disgusting treatment.

It is, they should have shot him instead. The World has gone soft.

opethdisciple · 5 Feb 2016 at 12:19

Our governments are sometimes no better than the Kim Jong-un.

This is basically the State acting against the peoples will, rather than the state acting on behalf of the peoples will as it's meant to be.

thep02 · 5 Feb 2016 at 12:20

George Hincapie said:
It is, they should have shot him instead. The World has gone soft.

What for all he did was point out illegal and corrupt actions undertaken by ultimately the us govt, in any sane society he would be a hero.

George Hincapie · 5 Feb 2016 at 12:24

thep02 said:
What for all he did was point out illegal and corrupt actions undertaken by ultimately the us govt, in any sane society he would be a hero.

"Son, this World has walls, and those walls need to be guarded by men with guns. Who's going to do it? You?"

That's a question of perspective. You don't have the right to challenge the appropriate Secrets Act (I presume US military must have to sign as we did) as a serving member of the military.

hurfdurf · 5 Feb 2016 at 12:34

George Hincapie said:
"Son, this World has walls, and those walls need to be guarded by men with guns. Who's going to do it? You?"

That's a question of perspective. You don't have the right to challenge the appropriate Secrets Act (I presume US military must have to sign as we did) as a serving member of the military.

Evil wins when good men do nothing

Diddums · 5 Feb 2016 at 12:38

Two wrong don't make a right.

(amidoinitrite?)

platypus · 5 Feb 2016 at 12:47

George Hincapie said:
"Son, this World has walls, and those walls need to be guarded by men with guns. Who's going to do it? You?"

That's a question of perspective. You don't have the right to challenge the appropriate Secrets Act (I presume US military must have to sign as we did) as a serving member of the military.

A pretty quote, but meaningless.

Yes he absolutely does have the right, we all have the right. We live in a democracy; which means the government - and thankfully the military - is responsible to us, not the other way round. And we have a right to question the laws that govern us.

Ordinary citizens don't have access to the level of material that someone in his position did, so just how would the world find out about levels of abuse like this without some people being willing to make a concious decision, that could not have been easy, to break their oath.