Then they should have had insurance. Or like the USA. Just fix them up so they can walk off out.
Income tax must rise 3p to stop NHS 'staggering from year to year'
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Then they should have had insurance. Or like the USA. Just fix them up so they can walk off out.
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That's an extra grand and a half a year. No thanks.
Edit: When they say 3p rise, is that 3p in the pound, or just a flat 3p on a tax bill?
Edit: When they say 3p rise, is that 3p in the pound, or just a flat 3p on a tax bill?
Worst I earn over 100k a year post ever?
You're not painting a very fair picture of the situation there. My wife is an ITU nurse. She has considered many times signing up with an agency so that she can do a few extra shifts a month to top up her salary. The reason for this is that nurses get paid rubbish money for the job they do and many struggle to get by. The reason my wife had yet to actually go ahead with it is that I (luckily) earn an awful lot more than she does, so as a household we are ok. If she wasn't married to someone who could supplement her income, she would be struggling to make ends meet despite having a highly skilled, highly stressful, long hours job where managers treat you like ****.
If they were paid a fair wage and managers treated staff well they could build up a workforce, maintain staff levels and avoid having to use supplementary agency staff.
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What would they do for emergency care?
The NHS is a bottomless pit that could absorb almost any amount of extra money thrown at it.
People live longer and not necessarily healthier in fact there seems to be quite a bit of evidence that although we live longer quality of life in later years is not improving much.
As we get older many of us will get horrible diseases that are really are just natures way of thinning out the population, how much do we spend treating these diseases and spend on drugs to sustain poor quality of life.
Much as some of you want to blame immigrants for the NHS problems frankly young fit people from abroad are a net positive not a negative for the NHS or at least short term to mid term (50 years or so)
The core problem of people living longer and needing vastly more care as they get older is why the NHS is in trouble and it is a far more difficult problem than lets raise tax.
People live longer and not necessarily healthier in fact there seems to be quite a bit of evidence that although we live longer quality of life in later years is not improving much.
As we get older many of us will get horrible diseases that are really are just natures way of thinning out the population, how much do we spend treating these diseases and spend on drugs to sustain poor quality of life.
Much as some of you want to blame immigrants for the NHS problems frankly young fit people from abroad are a net positive not a negative for the NHS or at least short term to mid term (50 years or so)
The core problem of people living longer and needing vastly more care as they get older is why the NHS is in trouble and it is a far more difficult problem than lets raise tax.
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3p on the tax bands so 23p/43p/48p
That's just to keep the NHS on it's knee's, not for a utopian service.
The NHS spends less on management and administration than internationally comparable health systems and far, far less than private healthcare.
Why are people so quick to presume that management and administration isn't needed? The NHS is a huge organisation, it needs management.
That's not really the point though for the people who want to blame the immigrants. They just don't like immigrants.
I am an immigrant. I'm fine with not having access to the NHS if I could get a refund for the tax I'm paying into the NHS. I wonder how much of the people who are against immigrants being able to use the NHS would be for the refund.
The balance at the NHS at times has been way out of whack though - former colleague of mine went to the NHS to do fairly similar job and they had 8 people in the department to do what he was doing before in a team of 3
EDIT: Funny thing is on the office side they seem to be top heavy staff wise while struggling for staff in the actual hospitals, etc.
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Don't forget the tax free allowance though. To pay £1k extra, you'd be earning approximately £43k, £1.5k is £60k, 2k is £76k. Setting it too high wouldn't result in many answering it at all. The bar should be a 'I earn above average and do/don't mind paying extra'.
I don't think it's even that, something like £60k.
Yeah, I know, but that's the point, isn't it?
OP said that well-paid professionals would vote with their feet and leave.
Should set the bar at "well-paid professionals", something 95% bracket (£68k+ according to HMRC)
My view exactly. Amount of money we spend treating people who are terminally ill just to increase their life (normally poor quality) by a little bit. Surely it can be better utilised?
Something I touched on a few posts back.
Very short sighted outlook though - a well functioning and robust NHS helps to make the society we live in a better place to be - wouldn't you (in general) want to be contributing towards that end?
By letting them suffer?
By easing the remaining days of people suffering with a non-curable terminal disease, as opposed to spending a grossly disproportionate amount of money on treatment extending their lives by a mere matter of weeks or months. I of course understand why people want their loved ones to live a few month longer, I would do, but should it be allowed when the money needed to do so could pay for the medical care of tens, possibly even hundreds of other people?
Two options imo.
Both require people to stop bashing government.
Either we accept higher taxes and carry on.
Or nhs restricts the services it does to a certain list of services.
And private health insurance picks up the slack,
Upto public to decide but they won't.
They'll just complain about spending cuts and moan even more if government tries to raise taxes.
Pain management is pretty cheap... and define suffering? They have a terminal illness...
My point was mostly about the proposed poll.
I mean, I think the forum is pretty right wing, so would be for against tax rises whatever the cause, but at least if you're going to do a poll, should pitch it as intended.