Madeleine McCann's parents

Evangelion said:
^^ This.

I have seen no evidence that the McCanns have enjoyed 'state protection', and since they lost their daughter overseas, the British police have no jurisdiction over their case. So even if they were guilty of criminal negligence, they can't get done for it in the UK.

The McCanns were negligent, true enough. But they were not 'I-just-let-my-kids-roam-free-at-midnight-on-our-council-estate' negligent. They left their children in a locked hotel room, which is a very different situation. It's not difficult to see why they assumed the children were safe.



But that's not what the McCanns did. They left their children asleep in a locked room, while they ate a perfectly normal meal with their friends a few hundred metres away. They weren't 'out boozing.'
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As a father, I wouldn't even dream of doing what they did on that particular evening. Easy to say in hindsight I guess, but something also doesn't and didn't ever feel right about the McCanns.

a lot of people feel the same way, and with all of the information/evidence that has come forward over the years regarding the McCanns directly or indirectly hindering the investigation (however botched it was or wasn't) points towards the feeling that there is no smoke without fire.

Hopkins' article is bang on (IMO she usually is however inconvenient/rude the truth - without causing a libel issue for herself - usually is). She comes remarkably close to saying that the McCanns did it , without actually saying that they did.

The reality is that the truth will probably never be known.
 
robfosters said:
What do you think of this article from Katie Hopkins? I know she's not everyone's cup of brew, but put that aside for a minute and judge the article on it's content. I think she speaks sense in a lot of her articles and this is bang on for me.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rents-accept-share-blame-let-go.html#comments
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She's spot on.

As a father I would never do what she did.

SexyGreyFox said:
No it isn't.
At what age would you let your kids wander?
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It totally is.

Evangelion said:
They left their children in a locked hotel room, which is a very different situation. It's not difficult to see why they assumed the children were safe.
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Why on earth would you ever make the assumption that leaving them in a locked hotel room (to which any of the hotel staff could obtain a key) would be a safe thing to do? The safe thing to do is make sure they are are by your side at all times (more so in a foreign country).
 
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Rifte said:
As a father, I wouldn't even dream of doing what they did on that particular evening.
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Neither would I, but my point still stands. Hopkins' comparisons are completely false.

but something also doesn't and didn't ever feel right about the McCanns.
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Ah, intuition! I wonder why the police don't rely on it instead of evidence?

a lot of people feel the same way
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Then it must be true!

and with all of the information/evidence that has come forward over the years regarding the McCanns directly or indirectly hindering the investigation
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But there is no evidence that they hindered the investigation.
 
Evangelion said:
Neither would I, but my point still stands. Hopkins' comparisons are completely false.


Ah, intuition! I wonder why the police don't rely on it instead of evidence?



Then it must be true!



But there is no evidence that they hindered the investigation.
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Hopkin's article is bang on. Its wrong to have negligent parents (the general consensus) to promote a Child Rescue Alert Campaign. Proven or not the public are split on the McCann's involvement with Madeline's disappearance beyond being negligent on that particular evening. It seems crazy to even market the idea.

My point is not about intuition. I am well aware that nothing has been proven, but there is so much literature on how the McCanns certainly did not aid the investigation. Wouldn't you be disclosing and doing everything you could to support the search and investigation of your child?? They didn't....period.

The next thing you will be coming on here to tell everybody is that Lee Harvey Oswald was the lone assassin, because the 'other' evidence was not proven ;)

When it looks like it, feels like it, seems like it......its usually because it is.
 
They killed her by inadvertant drug overdose and the rest is one big cover up which they have now twisted into a cash cow. Evil people.
 
Evangelion said:
But that's not what the McCanns did. They left their children asleep in a locked room, while they ate a perfectly normal meal with their friends a few hundred metres away. They weren't 'out boozing.'
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po-tay-to/po-tah-to

they left there children in a room unattended while they went to eat a meal and drink wine (booze) you might not want to call it 'out boozing' but that's exactly what they were doing.
 
Dis86 said:
Yes there is. They didn't provide information to the police. Oh and Kate pretty much refused to answer anything when interviewed by the police.
That's a hindrance!
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I don't know what the truth of it all is, I don't suppose anyone ever will. But its the questions (I believe it was 48 questions?) that Kate refused to answer that is the one thing that I cannot fathom.

I can even sort of see the logic of thought behind going out and leaving their kids in what they thought was a safe environment, I may not agree with it but I can however sort of see the line of thinking behind it. However, when your child has gone missing, to not answer so many questions, at a time when I would be doing everything to help, is the one thing that I really really just cannot understand.
 
Individually there may well be good reasons for all of these actions, but collectively, it stinks.

Wash the curtains in a rented apartment
Wash Madeleine's favourite toy Cuddlecat within days removing any scent of their child
Move the sofa
Wash the hire car and leave the boot lid open
Play tennis while local residents were out searching
Refuse to answer 48 questions put to them
Refuse to take part in a reconstruction
Dump the fridge from a rented apartment
 
Tombstone said:
I don't know what the truth of it all is, I don't suppose anyone ever will. But its the questions (I believe it was 48 questions?) that Kate refused to answer that is the one thing that I cannot fathom.

I can even sort of see the logic of thought behind going out and leaving their kids in what they thought was a safe environment, I may not agree with it but I can however sort of see the line of thinking behind it. However, when your child has gone missing, to not answer so many questions, at a time when I would be doing everything to help, is the one thing that I really really just cannot understand.
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You mean these 48 questions:


1. Why did you not physically search for Madeleine?
2. Why did you leave the twins when you realised Madeleine was missing, risking them also being taken?
3. What did you mean by 'they've taken her'. Who's 'they' Kate?
4. Why did you refuse to answer police questioning that could have helped find your daughter?
5. At the time, Gordon Brown was Chancellor of the Exchequer, not the Foreign Secretary. So why did he put so much pressure on the Portuguese police?
6. Why did you wash cuddle cat?
7. Where is Madeleine's pink blanket now, we know it was on her bed 4th May?
8. Why did you lie about the shutters being smashed/jemmied/broken?
9. Why did you change your original statement from the door being locked to the door being unlocked?
10. Why did you presume Madeleine had been abducted when there was no evidence to suggest she had been?
11. What happened to the blue sports bag that was in your wardrobe?
12. Why didn't the twins wake up the night Madeleine disappeared when there were people constantly walking in and out of their room?
13. Why did you dismiss the dogs evidence knowing that they had been right in at least 200 cases?
14. Why was Madeleine's DNA found in the boot of the hire car that had been hired 24 days after her disappearance?
15. How could you and Gerry find it in you to laugh/jog/play tennis days after your daughters disappearance?
16. Why did you get the media involved so early on ignoring the advise from the Portuguese police?
17. Why did it take 45 minutes for the police to be called?
18. Why are there so many inconsistency in all of your statements?
19. Why were the checks more consistent on the night Madeleine was reported missing?
20. Why was Madeleine crying for an hour and 15 minutes even though phone records prove Kate was in the apartment 3 minutes before?
21. Why did you hire Carter Ruck lawyers, especially the one that specialised in extraditions?
22. Why has only 10% of the fund been spent on the search?
23. Why did you suppress the E-Fits that are being used in the current investigation, is it because the Smiths identified your husband as the man they saw carrying Madeleine towards the beach the night of Madeleine's disappearance?
24. Why is your online shop still up and running even though there is 2 ongoing investigations?
25. Why did the government assign their spin doctor to control what is said about you in the media less than 24 hours after Madeleine's disappearance?
26. Why did you leave Portugal so quickly after being made arguidos?
27. Why did you lie about cuddle cat being high up on a shelf?
28. What on earth did you mean by this comment - "The police don't want a murder in Portugal and all the publicity about them not having paedophile laws here, so they're blaming us,"?
29. Why did you celebrate Madeleine's 4th birthday, shouldn't you have been searching?
30. Why is the fund not registered with the Charities Commission?
31. Why do you think it's acceptable to talk about your child's 'perfect genitals being torn apart' in your book?
32. Why is there no mention of Katerina Gaspers statement in your book, accusing David Payne of making inappropriate comments about your child to your husband?
33. Why did you draw so much attention to Madeleine's eye after the PJ warned you it could push the 'abductors' to harm her?
34. Why did you discount Mrs Fenns account of the crying?
35. What files does Theresa May have that she refuses to share with Portugal?
36. Why did you refuse to do reconstruction?
37. Why have you said you wish Gonçalo to be miserable and feel fear, he did everything possible to search for your child until he uncovered the truth of what you did to her?
38. Why were you happy with courting the media as long as they only reported an abduction?
39. Why are you suing people that are asking questions or purporting a theory?
40. Why did you spend £100K getting the police files translated but haven't released them?
41. Will you refund anyone who gave donations who have now read the evidence, should they want one?
42. How could the curtains 'Whooosh!' When they were trapped between the bed and the chair?
43. Why did it take you 144 days to get the twins tested to see if they had been sedated the night Madeleine disappeared?
44. What was in Gerry CATS file before it was sanitised?
45. How did the intruder manage to leave no forensic evidence?
46. Why was there no DNA found belonging to Madeleine in the apartment, forcing Gerry to return home to collect her pillowcase?
47. WHERE THE HELL ARE YOU WHILST THE POLICE ARE DIGGING UP LUZ KATE?
48. Why will you go to Portugal to attend the libel trial in the hope of receiving a million pound pay out but not while the police are trying to dig up your child's body?

Personally I believe there was a cover-up, both the parents are involved in her death/disappearance.

Why is it that in any public appearance/interview Kate will ALWAYS interrupt when Gerry starts speaking? Is it because he's clearly the weak one of the pair and most likely to say something that drops them in it?
 
Any person with any sense would refuse to answer those questions because they're not really questions. They're a hostile interrogation containing the assumption that Kate is guilty and obviously any answer, any answer at all, would be interpreted and presented as an admission of guilt.
 
Angilion said:
Any person with any sense would refuse to answer those questions because they're not really questions. They're a hostile interrogation containing the assumption that Kate is guilty and obviously any answer, any answer at all, would be interpreted and presented as an admission of guilt.
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Indeed... Having seen "justice" in action, as much as I hate to say it, never answer any questions... Your honesty might actually work against you.
 
Angilion said:
Any person with any sense would refuse to answer those questions because they're not really questions. They're a hostile interrogation containing the assumption that Kate is guilty and obviously any answer, any answer at all, would be interpreted and presented as an admission of guilt.
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Questions based around factual information. Irrespective if she should have answered the questions or not, the point remains that some of her and her husband's actions bearing in mind the circumstances are odd to say the least.

The questions are only based upon what actually happened, or what they actually did.
 
covenantuk said:
Individually there may well be good reasons for all of these actions, but collectively, it stinks.

Wash the curtains in a rented apartment
Wash Madeleine's favourite toy Cuddlecat within days removing any scent of their child
Move the sofa
Wash the hire car and leave the boot lid open
Play tennis while local residents were out searching
Refuse to answer 48 questions put to them
Refuse to take part in a reconstruction
Dump the fridge from a rented apartment
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The more I read about their conduct during the investigation, the more I think that they know exactly what happened to their daughter.
 
Resident said:
31. Why do you think it's acceptable to talk about your child's 'perfect genitals being torn apart' in your book?
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Ye gods, that's sick.

She wrote a book and put that in it? She's seriously ****ed up, if that's the case.

"I asked Gerry apprehensively if he'd had any really horrible thoughts or visions of Madeleine. He nodded. Haltingly, I told him about the awful pictures that scrolled through my head of her perfect little genitals torn apart"
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That is just not normal. Just writing the damn book is suspicious. Putting stuff like that in it is indefensible. It's like a snuff movie.

They just aren't normal parents, are they. Awfully, awfully suspicious.
 
I loath Katie Hopkins, however as many others have already said. I found that article a great read and exactly what a lot of people are think.
 
I dont like her much either, but I hope things went well for her today. She has had major brain surgery to try and cure her epilepsy as she has been told it could kill her at any time.

At the end of the day, she has 3 young children, so I hope things went well.
 
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