Johnson + Johnson fined £50m after Cancer death linked with Talcum powder

Cyanide said:
We'll probably end up with a similar thing to the hot drink spillage scandal - a warning label on literally every single product saying "warning, this product may cause cancer"
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That "hot drink spillage scandal" was a woman left with first degree burns over her entire crotch area because McDonald's were deliberately serving extremely hot coffee (i.e. way, way hotter than it should have been). This is one of the photos of her injuries that was submitted as evidence in that very trial:

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It wasn't just a "oops, I spilled my tea, better sue McDonald's" case. She needed extensive medical work, including skin grafts, and naturally it had quite the impact on her life.
 
Dj_Jestar said:
That "hot drink spillage scandal" was a woman left with first degree burns over her entire crotch area because McDonald's were deliberately serving extremely hot coffee (i.e. way, way hotter than it should have been)
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It's served at the same temperature today and it's the same temperature served at many coffee outlets. They've just got a bigger warning on the cups now.
 
Dj_Jestar said:
That "hot drink spillage scandal" was a woman left with first degree burns over her entire crotch area because McDonald's were deliberately serving extremely hot coffee (i.e. way, way hotter than it should have been). This is one of the photos of her injuries that was submitted as evidence in that very trial:

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It wasn't just a "oops, I spilled my tea, better sue McDonald's" case. She needed extensive medical work, including skin grafts, and naturally it had quite the impact on her life.
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oOO ****. I completely underestimated what happened when I read the news reports.

I can understand suing for that :eek:.

cheesyboy said:
I still have to wait ages for my McCoffee to be cool enough to drink, so it's not so bad.
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Hmm maybe my local is just crap then. I stopped drinking it a while ago anyway only so many lukewarm coffees you can take.
 
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Dj_Jestar said:
That "hot drink spillage scandal" was a woman left with first degree burns over her entire crotch area because McDonald's were deliberately serving extremely hot coffee (i.e. way, way hotter than it should have been). This is one of the photos of her injuries that was submitted as evidence in that very trial:

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It wasn't just a "oops, I spilled my tea, better sue McDonald's" case. She needed extensive medical work, including skin grafts, and naturally it had quite the impact on her life.
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While that certainly looks painful, and she has my sympathy for that, I still fail to see how that is McDonalds' fault?

What is the legal maximum temperature for a takeaway hot beverage?

How hot "should" a hot beverage be? Bearing in mind that a) the water needs to be at/near boiling to make tea/coffee, and b) when people order a hot beverage, they usually expect it to be... well... hot ;)

I don't see how that image is evidence that McDonalds was negligent in any way*? All it proves is that she suffered serious burns.

What next - suing Tefal (the appliance manufacturer, not the forum member :p) because someone boiled the kettle and then poured the water over themselves? :rolleyes:



* There may have been evidence to show this, however this photo isn't it, it's just an emotive image to make you think "oh this poor woman, she must be the victim".
 
Mynight said:
Pretty sure they've all reduced the temps of their coffee these days since that prat sued for burning themselves with one.
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Haggisman said:
While that certainly looks painful, and she has my sympathy for that, I still fail to see how that is McDonalds' fault?

What is the legal maximum temperature for a takeaway hot beverage?

How hot "should" a hot beverage be? Bearing in mind that a) the water needs to be at/near boiling to make tea/coffee, and b) when people order a hot beverage, they usually expect it to be... well... hot ;)

I don't see how that image is evidence that McDonalds was negligent in any way*? All it proves is that she suffered serious burns.

What next - suing Tefal (the appliance manufacturer, not the forum member :p) because someone boiled the kettle and then poured the water over themselves? :rolleyes:



* There may have been evidence to show this, however this photo isn't it, it's just an emotive image to make you think "oh this poor woman, she must be the victim".
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I believe the negligence was determined from the warning on the cup not being large or stern enough - it was more "contents may be hot" as opposed to "contents are hot enough to cause 3rd degree burns". They've changed the cups since for firmer ones too.
 
shorttricky said:
I believe the negligence was determined from the warning on the cup not being large or stern enough - it was more "contents may be hot" as opposed to "contents are hot enough to cause 3rd degree burns".
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Which is (sort of) fair enough.

Although I have to question how somebody managed to survive to the age of 79 without figuring out that hot things can burn you, and hot drinks can be hot, therefore it logically follows that hot drinks can burn you* :p



* Saying that, this is the same species that needs a warning on a packet of peanuts to let them know that the packet may contain nuts.** :rolleyes:


** Incidentally, peanuts aren't actually nuts, so those warnings are somewhat misleading! :D
 
Haggisman said:
While that certainly looks painful, and she has my sympathy for that, I still fail to see how that is McDonalds' fault?

What is the legal maximum temperature for a takeaway hot beverage?

How hot "should" a hot beverage be? Bearing in mind that a) the water needs to be at/near boiling to make tea/coffee, and b) when people order a hot beverage, they usually expect it to be... well... hot ;)

I don't see how that image is evidence that McDonalds was negligent in any way*? All it proves is that she suffered serious burns.

What next - suing Tefal (the appliance manufacturer, not the forum member :p) because someone boiled the kettle and then poured the water over themselves? :rolleyes:



* There may have been evidence to show this, however this photo isn't it, it's just an emotive image to make you think "oh this poor woman, she must be the victim".
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I didn't post the photo as evidence of them serving overly hot coffee - I posted it to show it's more than just someone spilling their coffee and saying "ouch!".

The evidence of too hot was from the "McDonald's handbook", as it is a way to get customers to FO quicker. Instead of being given drinking-temp coffee and sitting down to drink it before it gets cold, they serve coffee that is too hot to drink (and hot enough to seriously scold you, as per pic) so you walk/drive away with it.

Also the damages amount was decided by a jury. I think the woman just wanted her medical bills paying for after McDonald's offered a token crap amount.
 
Life gives you cancer. Sods law but many people will die of cancer with little obvious causation.
 
Haggisman said:
What about caprolactam powder? :p
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Had to google that. Have you been reading some medical journals? :)

As of 2014 caprolactam had the unusual status of being the only chemical in the International Agency for Research on Cancer's lowest hazard category, Group 4: "probably not carcinogenic to humans
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I like the inclusion of 'probably'
 
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