Quick lads, the internet police have sorted this whole incident from "Shudda-Wudda" Towers with it's rose tinted windows.
North Wales Police deliberately mow down dog
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Which suggests that you're just hoping for some vengeance rather than for the incident to be investigated and a full account of it provided.
I'm as free to comment on how the IPCC will investigate it as anyone is really, given that I'm quite sure none of us would want to be investigated for potential wrongdoing at our place of work.
They sure do know how to handle a dog though...
Yes, well-trained and disciplined dogs. Not necessarily scared, unpredictable and potentially dangerous dogs. It's possible their experience and training could have been useful to some extent but it's not much use if you can't get near it in the first place. If a dog unit had been available and nearby it seems rather logical to assume that they'd have called upon it to assist.
Incidentally I'd quite like to read the statement released today but some irresponsible cretins appear to have knocked their website offline.
Not sure on that one, i assumed they were always turned on. If that's the case then they could probably have overridden the set times remotely. Ironically they recently upgraded the lighting in and around one of the tunnels and actually plan on doing the other soon.
Overridden them remotely?
Is that a standard feature on all street lighting these days?
An awful lot are still working off the old dusk-dawn sensors, if not timers.
And even if tehre was a remote overide, you're assuming the Police would control it, not the highways agency or the council who likely wouldn't have someone on at 3am in the morning who could do it, or that it could be done accurate for a few lights (I can just imagine the officers wandering down the road making a a note of the post numbers).
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Well it's been null-routed, so it's most definitely a DDoS. Wouldn't go that far, would like to know what the IPCC comes out with following the investigation. And no, i'm not interested in vengeance.
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It was just an assumption, i was responding to the someone who said they turn off between midnight - 5AM which would have required some from of manual control.
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Any links to the other forces who dealt with it differently ?
As there is no current policy or manual with regards to this type of thing then it's reasonable to understand that a dynamic decision had to be made. I personally do not criticise the cops or NWP for their rationale.
Living in the country side I've seen a few incidents with animals running wild on both back roads and busy main roads where the police have responded and not run the animal down - in most cases members of the public have slightly put themselves in harms way to subdue the animal though and the police have mostly controlled oncoming traffic rather than dealing with the animal.
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The ultimate blame lies with the dogs owner. I do question NWP's handling of the incident, however.
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Therefore every single incident of this nature can and should be resolved in the same way?
Nah - just commentary on the fact those kind of incidents don't generally involve running the animal over.
If you read back a few pages I mentioned I've seen it a few times before and can imagine how it would unfold in a way that left the police little choice.
So much of this thread down to so few on their missions.
Imagine the lack of emotional ranting and hate mail if they'd had a firearm in the car and shot the dog on the same grounds of being uncontrolled, biting and being a hazard on a main road.
But this is the UK where deaths by cars are 10x that from firearms due to a severe lack of the latter.
And so we have this moanfest that the officers used the most lethal thing they had available to solve the farce without unreasonable disruption.
Imagine the lack of emotional ranting and hate mail if they'd had a firearm in the car and shot the dog on the same grounds of being uncontrolled, biting and being a hazard on a main road.
But this is the UK where deaths by cars are 10x that from firearms due to a severe lack of the latter.
And so we have this moanfest that the officers used the most lethal thing they had available to solve the farce without unreasonable disruption.
On the plus side, the police can now save millions of pounds on costly training courses and instead just send their officers to "the internets" where clueless individuals will tell them how to do their jobs correctly.
Deary deary me.
I want to live in this world where the Police can summon infinite amounts of resources from an endless list of professions, have them arrive within minutes and resolve a situation in just a quick a time.
In a world where the Police have a manual of guidance and Policy written and available for every incident, in every situation, in every location and with every twist and complication.
Where the Police Force are not only trained to look after/deal with/care for:
You
You daughters and sons
Your mother and fathers
Your next door neighbours
Your perpetrators of crime
In scenarios that involve:
Mental Health
First Aid
Traffic
Drugs
Drink
Domestics
Weapons
Diseases
Biohazards
and where sometimes a decision can be made with time at hand or conversely with absolutely no time at all.
This world where on-top of all this the Police are expected to field a experienced dog handling officer in every car crew. Who among his road cones, first aid kits, defibs, signs, PPE, paperwork and other pieces of kit also carry dog handling equipment.
The Police officer and support staff who have to weigh up absolutely every thought process, rationale, justification WHILST the incident is ongoing, where every minute that passes could result in a more serious incident.
I tell you what, direct me to this world where the Police officer can refer to his black and white (no shades of grey) manual on every single incident, follow it to the letter, get a positive outcome and be protected from any sort of comeback because he followed it. I'll be straight there.
You sit there and criticise a situation you were not in, have no knowledge of beyond limited disclosure and rant about all the other options available, the policy that should have been adhered to. You sit there and propose positive outcome actions without even considering the flip side of the proposal. All from people who learnt about Policing from the TV, Media and movies. The very fact people are linking OTHER INCIDENTS in OTHER CIRCUMSTANCES and stating "See, it's possible. Should have done this" is absolutely laughable.
Taze an uncontrolled aggressive dog? Are you having a laugh? At any remotely decent range the barb spread is going to make the prospect of tazing a running animal of that size a near impossibility. Or did you expect them to run after it and dry stun it?
Close the road - With what, the huge anti-animal nets every mobile unit carries? Or just expect the animal to read the signage and not run past it?
Rolling road block - See above, just going to run past it.
Warning with emergency equipment - Again, clueless. Unlit section of road, lights running you do nothing but reduce drivers visibility beyond the lights. Will attract attention to rubbernecking "Whats going on" likes who wont even look for a dog. Also, what world do you live in where people slow down for blue lights? largely, it doesn't happen. A temproary stop gap solution at best. Not "Let's leave it like this and try contain an animal within it for an hour whilst we wait for a specialist unit"
Try lay hands on - Tried, got bit. Enough said.
I tell you what - sign up and show us all how it's done. But before you do, here's a Protip - There will NEVER be a black and white policy & procedure for such an incident, such is the VERY NATURE of Policing.
I want to live in this world where the Police can summon infinite amounts of resources from an endless list of professions, have them arrive within minutes and resolve a situation in just a quick a time.
In a world where the Police have a manual of guidance and Policy written and available for every incident, in every situation, in every location and with every twist and complication.
Where the Police Force are not only trained to look after/deal with/care for:
You
You daughters and sons
Your mother and fathers
Your next door neighbours
Your perpetrators of crime
In scenarios that involve:
Mental Health
First Aid
Traffic
Drugs
Drink
Domestics
Weapons
Diseases
Biohazards
and where sometimes a decision can be made with time at hand or conversely with absolutely no time at all.
This world where on-top of all this the Police are expected to field a experienced dog handling officer in every car crew. Who among his road cones, first aid kits, defibs, signs, PPE, paperwork and other pieces of kit also carry dog handling equipment.
The Police officer and support staff who have to weigh up absolutely every thought process, rationale, justification WHILST the incident is ongoing, where every minute that passes could result in a more serious incident.
I tell you what, direct me to this world where the Police officer can refer to his black and white (no shades of grey) manual on every single incident, follow it to the letter, get a positive outcome and be protected from any sort of comeback because he followed it. I'll be straight there.
You sit there and criticise a situation you were not in, have no knowledge of beyond limited disclosure and rant about all the other options available, the policy that should have been adhered to. You sit there and propose positive outcome actions without even considering the flip side of the proposal. All from people who learnt about Policing from the TV, Media and movies. The very fact people are linking OTHER INCIDENTS in OTHER CIRCUMSTANCES and stating "See, it's possible. Should have done this" is absolutely laughable.
Taze an uncontrolled aggressive dog? Are you having a laugh? At any remotely decent range the barb spread is going to make the prospect of tazing a running animal of that size a near impossibility. Or did you expect them to run after it and dry stun it?
Close the road - With what, the huge anti-animal nets every mobile unit carries? Or just expect the animal to read the signage and not run past it?
Rolling road block - See above, just going to run past it.
Warning with emergency equipment - Again, clueless. Unlit section of road, lights running you do nothing but reduce drivers visibility beyond the lights. Will attract attention to rubbernecking "Whats going on" likes who wont even look for a dog. Also, what world do you live in where people slow down for blue lights? largely, it doesn't happen. A temproary stop gap solution at best. Not "Let's leave it like this and try contain an animal within it for an hour whilst we wait for a specialist unit"
Try lay hands on - Tried, got bit. Enough said.
I tell you what - sign up and show us all how it's done. But before you do, here's a Protip - There will NEVER be a black and white policy & procedure for such an incident, such is the VERY NATURE of Policing.
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All dogs off leads should be run down.
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Complaining about those who have an issue with the NWP's handling have every right to question why it was done. Your rant does nothing but make you out to be a bit of a...
And he has every right to say how stupid, illogical and downright pathetic those people are.
He has as much right to complain about those who have issues with North Wales Police as you do for questioning why it was done. Newsflash - this isn't your personal forum or rant site.
You cross the line when you insult someone. It isn't big. These forums are for discussion whether or not you like someone's views or not.
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There's "questioning why it was done" (which I think we all are, at this early stage), then there's thinking you know better, embarrassing oneself (ala the comments on Facebook) and acting like you're a victim of this incident by complaining to the IPCC when there are other suitable channels via which to make a complaint, if for some reason you feel personally affected by what has happened. The IPCC is not intended as the first port of call for a poor interaction with or opinion of the police. Although in this case they'll likely just be overseeing what the PSD do anyway.