Imagine if...Trump wins and there's a BREXIT

Participant · 24 Feb 2016 at 19:48

None of it really matters.

You will keep working and earning roughly the same as you would have ceteris paribus, whether in or out of the EU.

Your kids will go to the same schools.

There won't be a WWIII.

Nothing much will change either way.

Spook187 · 24 Feb 2016 at 19:51

Well as you can see the world is in a right mess, putting those two clowns in won't make much of a difference will it

MikeB · 24 Feb 2016 at 19:51

Participant said:
None of it really matters.

You will keep working and earning roughly the same as you would have ceteris paribus, whether in or out of the EU.

Your kids will go to the same schools.

There won't be a WWIII.

Nothing much will change either way.

i pretty much agree with all that, but would love to see boris on the world stage being boris as we know him (yes i know a lot of it is carefully stage managed), what a breath of fresh air it would be

Roar87 · 24 Feb 2016 at 19:57

Zethor said:
NATO and the EU already are at Russia's borders.. Keep it up with the inane comments tho.

I will. They obviously drew the line at Ukraine and the point stands that Russia isn't being aggressive, they're countering EU and NATO expansion.

doofer · 24 Feb 2016 at 20:09

Trump becoming President and the UK leaving the EU would be worth it just to watch the meltdown at the BBC.

datalol-jack · 24 Feb 2016 at 20:29

Roar87 said:
I will. They obviously drew the line at Ukraine and the point stands that Russia isn't being aggressive, they're countering EU and NATO expansion.

I could not resist: So a military invasion is brotherly kumbaya in your opinion? I knew I was doing it wrong all these years!

Roar87 · 24 Feb 2016 at 20:57

datalol-jack said:
I could not resist: So a military invasion is brotherly kumbaya in your opinion? I knew I was doing it wrong all these years!

Sevastopol is the home of the Russian Black Fleet, it gives them access to the Mediterranean Sea. They weren't going to risk losing that. You have to understand that this is the Russia that was invaded by a European power and lost 20 million people 70 years ago, and was involved in the Cold war with America for 50 years after that. Don't expect them to welcome pro EU governments forming in what they view as a buffer state, Russian culture just isn't like that.

Yaayuh! · 24 Feb 2016 at 21:01

Trump won't be president and we'll stay in the EU. Move on, nothing to see here.

Amp34 · 24 Feb 2016 at 22:01

The pound is dropping pretty quickly as a result of the BREXIT indecision. It'll be interesting to see how low it goes in the next few months!

D.P. · 24 Feb 2016 at 22:11

If Trump magically becomes president then it will be hilarious. None of his so called policies iwll ever pass the senate and he will be the most useless president since independence.

What I don't know is faster 1-2 years of insanity if there is some kind of executive decision possible by the senate to force a reelection.

datalol-jack · 24 Feb 2016 at 22:13

Can't you impeach for criminal hair?

andicole0 · 24 Feb 2016 at 22:18

Roar87 said:
That part of Ukraine is of huge strategic importance to Russia, they would go to war before they gave up their naval base in Sevastopol. It's about as important as Pearl Harbour is to the Americans, who would do the exact same thing if anything threatened their ability to project power from Pearl Harbour.

The main difference is that we can vote in our own Politicians, where as you can't do that with the European ones. That's why Gordon Brown isn't Prime Minister anymore.

We do vote for MEP's or at least I do (sometimes).
Andi.

Sliver · 24 Feb 2016 at 22:20

datalol-jack said:
Can't you impeach for criminal hair?

You'd have to catch it first. It moves around a lot. It's like a ferret on speed.

datalol-jack · 24 Feb 2016 at 22:28

Sliver said:
You'd have to catch it first. It moves around a lot. It's like a ferret on speed.

I hear it's quite docile, and hasn't always seen eye-to-eye with the fluff dictator:

bam0 · 24 Feb 2016 at 22:38

Participant said:
None of it really matters.

You will keep working and earning roughly the same as you would have ceteris paribus, whether in or out of the EU.

Your kids will go to the same schools.

There won't be a WWIII.

Nothing much will change either way.

Can't agree, I mean you might be right, but leaving the EU is going to cause a great deal of uncertainty and it's definitely not guaranteed that everyone would keep working and earning as before.
I don't see why the rest of the EU will do us any favours when it comes to trade agreements, yes we import a lot of the EU but as a percentage of overall EU trade it's not that significant, and if UK exports are no longer competitive due to tariffs that's a growth opportunity for businesses in Europe. They could easily destroy the viability of our finance services but requiring that transactions denominated in Euros be conducted in a Eurozone country.
It might sound fearful but there are real potential threats and we have no idea how they'll be resolved if the UK chooses to leave, blithely assuming it'll all be ok is folly and "sovereignty" won't mean jack is the economy collapses.

datalol-jack · 24 Feb 2016 at 22:53

Four threads, GD, everything is linked... now I understand the meaning of samsara!

Gabbatek · 24 Feb 2016 at 22:59

i hope corbyn and sanders get in

datalol-jack · 24 Feb 2016 at 23:07

Gabbatek said:
i hope corbyn and sanders get in

Do you think they will disarm two nuclear states in one go?

GreatAuk · 24 Feb 2016 at 23:27

D.P. said:
If Trump magically becomes president then it will be hilarious. None of his so called policies iwll ever pass the senate and he will be the most useless president since independence.

What I don't know is faster 1-2 years of insanity if there is some kind of executive decision possible by the senate to force a reelection.

I like to think that Trump is just projecting his rather unique public image in an attempt to get elected, and that behind the walls of the Whitehouse he would act completely differently... Maybe we'll find out maybe we won't! Still, whether there is or there isn't I'd sleep better at night with him in the Oval Office rather than with Hillary Clinton - she gives me the creeps.

Sliver · 25 Feb 2016 at 01:46

GreatAuk said:
I like to think that Trump is just projecting his rather unique public image in an attempt to get elected, and that behind the walls of the Whitehouse he would act completely differently... Maybe we'll find out maybe we won't! Still, whether there is or there isn't I'd sleep better at night with him in the Oval Office rather than with Hillary Clinton - she gives me the creeps.

I couldn't disagree more. Forget Hillary for a moment. If you contrast Trump with Obama the difference is plain to see. Obama is cool, calm and collected. He thinks things through for the betterment of whatever he does. He's articulate and has charisma and he has a fair heart and a fair view on the important issues and how to work them through. Trump comes from a background of bluster and sound bytes. He divides people where Obama seeks to unite people. Trump seeks to play on ignorance and fears where Obama has tried to evoke positive change and equality. Obama seeks to tear down walls not build them up, he's a diplomat and seeks reason and compromise in order to push things in the right direction. Trump is reactionary, knee jerk politicking sideshow. Grabbing headlines but not offering any substance. He's a brute force in a world where we need a delicate reasoned tactile approach. It's a real shame Obama has to step down because whoever follows in his footsteps will be overshadowed by his grace as a politician on the world stage.

Trump does business deals, he's not the refined politician that America needs. He's a loose canon.