IPS to TN would I notice?
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It depends who you ask. Although measured static contrast is generally slightly weaker (by perhaps 200:1 on average) on the 8-bit TN panels compared to the 'IPS' alternative, they lack IPS glow. So detail levels are generally superior towards the corners of the screen in comparison and you don't get that radiant effect from the glow. However; the viewing angle restrictions are such that gamma is lower further down the screen and greater higher up. So dark scenes appear with less detail than intended further up and more detail than intended lower down. So it's a case of 'pick your poison', really. Some prefer one, some the other.
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I be happy enough to move to a good TN for a monitor no bigger than 27" but if given the choice of similar specs i.e. res., refresh rate + price, give me IPS every day of the week.
A decent quick comparison between a TN (dell 27" gsync) and the acer IPS screen:
http://www.overclock.net/t/1577511/...r-the-dell-s2716dg-monitor/2140#post_24940878
http://www.overclock.net/t/1577511/...r-the-dell-s2716dg-monitor/2140#post_24940878
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I really wonder where some people get their ideas from - sitting with a Dell U2913wm (generally regarded as one of the better IPS panels) and the Asus PG278Q on my desk and fairly reasonably calibrated some posts are so entirely removed from my experiences I can't even imagine how they've come up with it :S
(In general and not just this thread).
(In general and not just this thread).
@Razor Time:
I liked the video, it was very demonstrative of the inescapable differences between IPS and TN. I've never seen the Swift myself, and everyone kept praising how it's a "premium" TN panel, but it's quite clear that the viewing angle issue is still there.
But one thing stuck out on the video:
He seems to think that IPS glow == backlight bleed (BLB).
Quote from 6:00 and 6:21 on the video:
"One issue that does plague IPS monitor is the one called backlight bleed or IPS glow..."
"Backlight bleed is something you just have to put up for now, since it just comes with the technology..."
NOOOO!
Fortunately people already commented on it on the youtube, but just to clarify this to people seeing the video here:
Those are two totally separate things. They are often clumped together or confused to one another, as they have similar symptoms, but indeed, they have different "sources of error". Backlight bleed is a manufacturing flaw (bad assembly), while the IPS glow is a characteristic of the technology design, and can't be gotten rid off completely.
The reason why backlight bleed is more common with IPS is because IPS has now risen in popularity even amongst the masses, and the manufacturers have a serious price war going on, and they apparently just try to cut corners. There is nothing in the technology itself that adds to the backlight bleed (or if there is, then please inform and explain me, as I certainly haven't heard of it).
Like the viewing angle issue is the unavoidable problem with TN (even premium TNs, like evidenced on the video), so is the IPS glow among IPS monitors. But the backlight bleed is not an unavoidable problem. People just need to stop supporting those manufacturers that decide to cut corners.
I liked the video, it was very demonstrative of the inescapable differences between IPS and TN. I've never seen the Swift myself, and everyone kept praising how it's a "premium" TN panel, but it's quite clear that the viewing angle issue is still there.
But one thing stuck out on the video:
He seems to think that IPS glow == backlight bleed (BLB).
Quote from 6:00 and 6:21 on the video:
"One issue that does plague IPS monitor is the one called backlight bleed or IPS glow..."
"Backlight bleed is something you just have to put up for now, since it just comes with the technology..."
NOOOO!
Fortunately people already commented on it on the youtube, but just to clarify this to people seeing the video here:
Those are two totally separate things. They are often clumped together or confused to one another, as they have similar symptoms, but indeed, they have different "sources of error". Backlight bleed is a manufacturing flaw (bad assembly), while the IPS glow is a characteristic of the technology design, and can't be gotten rid off completely.
The reason why backlight bleed is more common with IPS is because IPS has now risen in popularity even amongst the masses, and the manufacturers have a serious price war going on, and they apparently just try to cut corners. There is nothing in the technology itself that adds to the backlight bleed (or if there is, then please inform and explain me, as I certainly haven't heard of it).
Like the viewing angle issue is the unavoidable problem with TN (even premium TNs, like evidenced on the video), so is the IPS glow among IPS monitors. But the backlight bleed is not an unavoidable problem. People just need to stop supporting those manufacturers that decide to cut corners.
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aatu - Viewing angles is one thing that definitely stood out in that video. I am always sat at different angles whilst at my desk and my head never seems to be in one place for too long.
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Sorry Nex but that's not a fair comparison. I know who that user is from OCN and unless he has bought a colorimeter recently he has been using various profiles or going by eye on NCP.
He's had rotten luck with Dell monitors and whilst he has attributed some problems that he experienced being universal - I have come back with my own videos proving him wrong.
It does have other issues that I summarized in the official thread but the colours are decent. IPS will be better but atm we are being fleeced for high refresh rate, gsync IPS and TN monitors. (Unless you buy a Rainforest special lol)
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I have had both TN and IPS swifts. I wasn't blown away by the IPS and the TN is a great panel to begin with. It also had terrible back light bleed compared to my TN. I sent the IPS back and kept my TN panel.
It wasn't worth the price difference for me. I suspect a color accurate dell ultra sharp will be far better but for a gaming panel there just isn't a huge difference between IPS and TN. Not for me personally anyway.
It wasn't worth the price difference for me. I suspect a color accurate dell ultra sharp will be far better but for a gaming panel there just isn't a huge difference between IPS and TN. Not for me personally anyway.
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They read one person's anecdotal report and regurgitate it embellish it a bit, someone else picks up on it does the same and round and round it goes. Its rumour that gets repeated enough times it becomes "fact". All without ever actually owning one of the things.
Or maybe people just aren't as "observant" when it comes to image quality/colours, viewing angle/contrast shift, anti-glare coatings? The same way some people aren't as observant when it comes to motion clarity, ghosting and input lag....
Ah I see, fair enough.
It is a shame that the good calibrators still cost a decent amount, that and ICC profiles being a nuisance with the way it gets reset after coming out of certain games *looking at you crysis 3!*
Ah I see, fair enough.
It is a shame that the good calibrators still cost a decent amount, that and ICC profiles being a nuisance with the way it gets reset after coming out of certain games *looking at you crysis 3!*
I'd forgotten about that aspect - there does seem to be a shocking level of inconsistency with the AGC on the TN Swift and equivalent Dell which can make quite a difference in how any individual one is perceived in terms of image quality (ignoring viewing angles) - my first one had quite grainy whites whereas this one with a lighter AGC the whites really "pop" in comparison.
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I've not tested Crysis 3 but during the Division beta I used my .icc profile converted it to a 3dLUT which is used by games that support Reshade. That way I was able to use calibrated colours +gamma during gaming also.
http://www.avsforum.com/forum/139-d...ngl-applications-e-g-games-under-windows.html
Ah cool so as long as games work with reshade, it is a non-issue now, nice.
Still, I hope we see more monitors in the future with built in hardware LUT like the 34um95 though
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Found the video that was used in the above video:
Stunning
Still, I hope we see more monitors in the future with built in hardware LUT like the 34um95 though
EDIT:
Found the video that was used in the above video:
Stunning
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The TN ones do need a bit more adjustment - I see a lot people comment on colours looking washed out, or blacks being off, but what I do is turn up the brightness on the monitor - e.g. 70 for daytime and 40 for at night, then use NVCP to set the brightness to 40 and the gamma to 0.82 and then I looks fantastic - nice deep blacks with bright colours, and using sites like Lagom I can see all the details in greys etc.
From what people are saying, the IPS ones come out of the box setup closer to their preferences, but having both TN and IPS I massively prefer the TN for gaming and don't see any loss of quality in doing so
And I'm not some massive twitch gamer, I tend to play single player games and tweak settings to get around 90-100fps
From what people are saying, the IPS ones come out of the box setup closer to their preferences, but having both TN and IPS I massively prefer the TN for gaming and don't see any loss of quality in doing so
And I'm not some massive twitch gamer, I tend to play single player games and tweak settings to get around 90-100fps
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