So you think they wont just make another similar/same agreement with the UK if we were to leave the EU?
TTIP Scary!!!
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So you think they wont just make another similar/same agreement with the UK if we were to leave the EU?
Given the small nature of media coverage of TTIP no I'm not really surprised that nothings been said. There are more important things to do than try and score one over on Farage. It feels like Camerons far too busy trying to save himself at present.
And as to what Farage actually said - again can you provide any evidence as to this? LBC is well known for giving Farage a platform to spout from, did they check his information? What sources did he claim as proof of his assertion? Or did LBC just let him say what he wanted to say without asking him any questions?
Why would I believe that? Well because we're part of the EU, and its far more believable than your tin-foil, and as yet unproven, assertion that uk officials were "told to leave the room".
I love how simple your world really is.
If anyone thinks leaving the EU will stop something like TTIP you're being naive.
Quite. It's naive at best, and disingenuously stupid at worst.
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Maybe they will, maybe the won't. I know this though, unlike the secret EU deal, any deal made by the British government will be scrutinised thoroughly by the British parliament, who will be held to account by the British people.
Hahahahaha
. You really believe the rubbish you write don't you?I still don't get your warped position on politicians. I guess I'll never understand it, other than you use it as an (terrible) arguing tool to support your position. When it serves your argument to distrust politicians and state that they're corrupt you'll do it. When it supports your position to say that they're answerable and can be held to account, you'll do it. Consistency is not your forté.
You mean evidence apart from it being broadcast on national radio? I'm afraid I don't have a transcript of the show to hand. But I invite you to search their podcasts for it if you really need to.
EDIT: A very quick google shows the secrecy under which the talks are being held:
http://www.theguardian.com/business...iles-but-take-only-pencil-and-paper-with-them
http://corporateeurope.org/internat...ip-talks-despite-pr-still-under-cloak-secrecy
This is extremely worrying. Regardless of the content of the talks, they appear to be held in utmost secrecy with EU member states having only limited access to view notes taken during discussions. This is very far from being open and democratic.
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Well if Farage did say it, what did they do to qualify his statement? Or did they just let him carry on without questioning it? What sources did he provide if they did question it? Otherwise why bring it up at all if it can't be verified? Loads of politicians make throwaway statements on the radio, does that mean we should take them all as being true?
All we actually have is lolscorza saying, more than once, that British officials are told to leave the room when TTIP is discussed, for which he cannot - seemingly - provide any evidence. For you to anecdotally then say that you think you heard Farage say something on radio isn't exactly concrete, is it?
All I'm stating is exactly what I heard (also see my edited comment above about general secrecy). I'm afraid if that isn't enough for you then you'll have to make your own mind up on the issue.
Thats what I'm trying to do. I'm well aware of the secrecy in which the talks are being conducted, and I don't for a second suggest that it's not something to be worried about.
The assertion that scorza keeps making however is not one that I can find any evidence for, at all. Now, if he heard Farage say it on radio, you have to bear in mind that scorza will believe anything Farage says, so it seems. So I'll leave myself open to the usual "leftie" insults by saying this is scaremongering, until he provides the proof for this statement.
The assertion that scorza keeps making however is not one that I can find any evidence for, at all. Now, if he heard Farage say it on radio, you have to bear in mind that scorza will believe anything Farage says, so it seems. So I'll leave myself open to the usual "leftie" insults by saying this is scaremongering, until he provides the proof for this statement.
I couldn't agree more, the entire thing is scary to the extreme. If you - or anyone who thinks the EU vote will affect TTIP therefore they don't need to have this debated in Parliament - haven't seen it have a read of this: http://arstechnica.co.uk/tech-polic...n-on-ttip-secrecy-as-public-resistance-grows/. http://arstechnica.co.uk/tech-polic...-still-unable-to-point-to-any-major-benefits/.
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I think Farage is probably spinning it that the UK is being asked to leave the room when negotiations take place. But the impression I have is that almost everyone from all member states are being asked to leave. So while Farage is probably technically right, he's using it in a more emotive way.
I'll have a read of that article later, thanks.
I'll have a read of that article later, thanks.
Loads of stuff floating about as well that just makes TTIP look completely not worth it. Not to mention that they're fudging/cheating the statistics, the only people it seems to benefit are the lobbyists that run America.
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/2...ighlight-dubious-underlying-assumptions.shtml
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/2...ighlight-dubious-underlying-assumptions.shtml
Is there any evidence that UK officials are present during EU trade negotiations?
The furor around the dispute process is mind boggling. It's a process that already exists and people should review some of the cases and decisions made. They are very reasonable and it's mostly used to protect the fair rights of companies operating outside of their home markets. It's absolutely essential protection and ensures that the law is respected.
Given that you've made your assertion on more than one occasion, you need to prove it.
Unless you want us to just treat it as one of your normal little fantasies.
No worries! I never knew anything about this until today too, glad I'm not the only one.
That's not how this works. You made a claim, you show the proof.
There's no evidence Scarlett Johansson wasn't present in my bed last night either.
Well Hades has backed me up, claiming he heard Farage say it on LBC. Just because there isn't a URL to link to doesn't mean there isn't proof. Any link I do provide is likely to just dismissed, probably with a hilariouis 'lol' prefix. Investigations are continuing.
FYI there's a difference between proving a positive, like Platypus asked of me, and I asked of him, and proving a negative, which is notoriously difficult, like your Scarlett example.
Can you explain why?
It's essentially a mechanism to stop governments backing out on deals made with companies, in the same way a company can't just back out on a deal with another company.
If for example a company does a deal with a government, spends millions of pounds on the deal, then the government just decided to renegade on their end then of course the company should have some recourse to claim damages.
I don't see it as any different to how you sign a mobile phone contract, get a "free" phone and then would expect to pay for it if you decided half way through the contract to cancel.
Why? We are a member of the EU and are part of the trade negotiations. The UK can't ruled itself out of TTIP so why should it not have a say on the matter?
Perhaps - if Farage is telling the truth - there are currently no UK politicians in the group that handle trade negotiations. We are a fully paid up member, and as such we are privy to everything every other member of the EU is, excluding perhaps certain Euro related parts.
EDIT: Regarding the secrecy claims - It's odd, but at the same time it could be related to the sensitivity to business, currency and stock markets of much of the negotiation. Keeping it secret could be related to making sure some companies don't get a competitive advantage over others. I assume the final draft will be made available to the public before it is voted on so...
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Your link doesn't relate to TTIP unless I'm misreading it.
