Doctors urge schools to ban tackling in rugby

Rugby is character, football is thuggery you can look at any so called professional footballer, Ref makes a decision and all of sudden F this, F that pushing around falling on the floor play acting.

Football teaches everything that is wrong with sport.
 
There's an old saying that rugby is a thug's game played by gentlemen, while football is a gentleman's game played by thugs. What I like about rugby is that he players have to call the referee 'sir' and the teams that gets away with cheating the most wins, at least in international rugby that is :p There's a useful life lesson in that for this generation of kids.
 
TheMightyTen said:
Creating "Risk sterile" environments for the nurture of children is sewing a dangerous seed that we are already beginning to reap where young adults are entirely incapable of judging risk and see the responsibility as being somebody else's. I actually find your attitude and that of parents with a similar one abhorrent, and that is not an over statement. One excellent way to teach children lessons of risk and outcomes is in a contact sport environment (and I am talking about all contact sports not just about Rugby Union/League), the environment is controlled, monitored but gives real-time feedback on judgments made.



I think you are making that up for effect as it is not even slightly complicated.

1) Possession is retained if the ball is kicked to touch by a team that has been awarded a full straight arm penalty

2) Possession is turned over to the opposition if the ball is kicked to touch unless it is touched by the opposition before entering touch, this includes from free kicks (short arm penalties). Touch constitutes the ball making contact with the ground outside the field of play which includes objects in contact with the ground outside the field of play.

Complications arise over where a lineout will take place depending on the passage of the ball to touch (but in all reality are not actually complicated) but I think you knew that and are in fact just trolling ;)
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Are there not some rules relating to *googles* the 22 metre line, or something?
 
I played rugby when I was in school and as somebody who regularly watches the professional game, I find it hard to remember what the level of force and tackles were like in comparison.

I do remember seeing injuries. A friend broke his little finger on a day when they made us play when it was near freezing, he didn't even realise he had done it until he got back to the changing rooms.

Another friend had quite a moment when he scored a try, but the tackles made to try and stop him resulted in a broken collar bone.

The worst thing I saw though was a player from another school stretched into an ambulance with a broken neck. As he was from another school, I never did find out the outcome of his injuries.

I don't recall any head injuries or concussions, just broken bones.
 
I refused to do PE in general when I was in school, had some neanderthals in that PE class, wasn't going to risk it. Plus we had a choice on what we wanted to do based on the most votes, they always picked rubgy/football/british bulldogs(didnt mind british bulldogs as I was quick) so I was like nope. Had to sit and "watch" it though during PE, looked like a bunch of overbuilt teenages on drugs running full force into each other. Someone broke something every other month...

Orionaut said:
Who here remembers "British Bulldogs";) :D
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Hah lol
British Bulldogs was the only one I was semi-decent at as I was light and agile.
 
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What happened to kids these days,Did everyone turn into a bunch of pansy's?

Back in Primary School i was in the After school rugby team,We would do all sorts of matches off site too against other schools...never hurt me,Nor do i know anyone that seriously got injured from it.

With the way the worlds going,We might as well not do anything no more "Just incase we get hurt".

Actually,Might phone my boss up tomorrow,Cant come in ever again because i might trip and hurt myself on the way.... :D
 
MatsyLR said:
Hah lol

British Bulldogs was the only one I was semi-decent at as I was light and agile.
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I quite often won at British Bulldogs back in the day! ;) :D

I am not absolutely certain that we are talking the same language. but just to enlighten the younger ones!:D

"British Bulldogs" for Me was a very hard "Last man standing" game.

40 Boys start at one end of the field, one is chosen as "It" and stands in the middle. All the others run from one end of the field to the other. If he can catch and overpower somebody he joins him.

Then there are two in the middle of the field against 38!

Rinse and repeat! :D

It was a very rough game! Much more so than Rugby as I recall! :D

(and even in Rugby, back in the day, if you were not bleeding by the end of the game you were not playing enthusiastically enough!)

But then it was the sixties/early 70's! :/

Not like nowadays at all! :(
 
Orionaut said:
I quite often won at British Bulldogs back in the day! ;) :D

I am not absolutely certain that we are talking the same language. but just to enlighten the younger ones!:D

"British Bulldogs" for Me was a very hard "Last man standing" game.

40 Boys start at one end of the field, one is chosen as "It" and stands in the middle. All the others run from one end of the field to the other. If he can catch and overpower somebody he joins him.

Then there are two in the middle of the field against 38!

Rinse and repeat! :D

It was a very rough game! Much more so than Rugby as I recall! :D

(and even in Rugby, back in the day, if you were not bleeding by the end of the game you were not playing enthusiastically enough!)

But then it was the sixties/early 70's! :/

Not like nowadays at all! :(
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Yeah its the same thing.
I was a fast runner though and the kids in my class weren't the brightest so was easy enough tp avoid them.
I rarely got caught which meant by the time i got caught by shear numbers i didn't need to do anything as the few remaining people would get by the rest.
 
Nitefly said:
Are there not some rules relating to *googles* the 22 metre line, or something?
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Nope, not to do with possession, that only decides where a lineout will take place.

In simple terms:

1) If the last player to touch the ball before it passes into the 22 is the opposition then the ball can be kicked directly to touch and the lineout will take place in line with where the ball left the field of play.

2) If the ball is carried back or passed back by the kicking team into the 22 the ball must land in the field of play before leaving it or it must be touched by a member of the opposition (excepting if the opposition is standing with one foot in play and one foot clearly out of play and catch the ball cleanly as they then count as an object outside the field of play which means the kick has passed directly to touch). If the ball is not in play before passing to touch the lineout is taken directly in line of where the initial kick was taken.

In both of the above situations the lineout will always be taken by the opposition of the kicking team, essentially possession lost but if done correctly territory gained.
 
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neil_g said:
id say head injuries are more likely in rugby to be honest (look at how many people commenting in this thread mention getting it).

i think the concern is more about how rugby is taught, least that was the way the radio debate went that i listened to yesterday.
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And I'm sure if there was a thread about injuries in cycling there would plenty of people with examples, or injuries from walking, etc.
 
Haggisman said:
And I'm sure if there was a thread about injuries in cycling there would plenty of people with examples, or injuries from walking, etc.
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I wondered when Cycling would turn up in this thread.

It is hard to find statistics on this, but a quick web search would suggest that the risk of death while Cycling is, on average, 15-20 times more likely per mile travelled than driving.

This doesn't just put it into DUI territory, It puts into well-over-the-limit DUI territory.

For novice riders/children the risk is likely to be much higher!

It is actually somewhat surprising that in our otherwise increasingly risk-averse society an activity that is as dangerous as this is being actually actively encouraged!

People do get hurt playing rugby, but the risks overall are tiny compared to cycling!
 
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It is not the risk that determines the school rules but rather the trouble caused to the higher ups in education and therefore it is the annoying, overbearing, paranoid and ignorant-to-life parents that kick up a fuss that are to blame.

That is why in my school they banned teachers from marking with red ink because it seemed aggressive and confrontational when their dumbass kids get bad grades. They also banned students from being vocal about who your best mates were since parents said they felt it excluded other children. Though they were fine with some psycho kid going round with a knitting needle he nicked from textiles, jabbing at people because when he got caught with it on him his idiot mum complained to the school that he was just eager for alternative classes like textiles. In the end they just took their own needle back and said he could keep his own as long as they never left his bag outside lessons. ofc he just nicked another and continued his retard rampage until he was floored by the next ticked off student he came across.
 
MatsyLR said:
I refused to do PE in general when I was in school
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How long ago was this?

Was taking part in the lesson optional for everyone?

Could you get out of doing the work in other lessons if you found it too hard or didn't like the subject?

Call me old fashioned but this strikes me as what's wrong with kids these days, if there's something that goes against their "human rights" ;)

I was good at swimming but was useless at things like football and rugby, but I still played and tried my best and I did improve.
Same with some academic subjects, loved computers and maths, but sucked badly at English and Art.
 
Orionaut said:
I wondered when Cycling would turn up in this thread.

It is hard to find statistics on this, but a quick web search would suggest that the risk of death while Cycling is, on average, 15-20 times more likely per mile travelled than driving.

This doesn't just put it into DUI territory, It puts into well-over-the-limit DUI territory.

For novice riders/children the risk is likely to be much higher!

It is actually somewhat surprising that in our otherwise increasingly risk-averse society an activity that is as dangerous as this is being actually actively encouraged!

People do get hurt playing rugby, but the risks overall are tiny compared to cycling!
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Does it differentiate between urban and rural cycling? Do the injuries happen more frequently on roads shared by drivers? etc etc
 
krooton said:
Does it differentiate between urban and rural cycling? Do the injuries happen more frequently on roads shared by drivers? etc etc
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Like I said, It is difficult finding stats on this, But the "Grumpy Old Sod" claimed in one of his blogs, that the majority of cycling casualties involve no third parties

(IE people fall off and break stuff all on their own. the typical cycling casualty is not somebody who has been hit by another vehicle. In a similar vain, I remember reading some years ago that the typical DUI casualty is Not an innocent bystander. Typically it is the DD him/her self. Only around a third of DUI casualties involve third parties)
 
This thread makes me feel like I missed out!
I've never played contact rugby...... It just never came up...

There was a school team, but that was extra curricular and we never played in PE.

The closest I've come is doing some american football with a group of friends, but that was mainly running formations and passing drills.
 
The Asgard said:
Its called being responsible for the safety of your children.
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That's your choice although a very narrow minded opinion. Are the parents of the thousands of kids who play everyday therefore not responsible?

What a boring world we'd live in if every parent took that view on anything with a "risk".

Shame, it's a great game with a position for every shape and size. You should at least let them play the tag equivalent (which is where they'd start anyway) and take it from there?
 
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