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I'm sure a few of you know I used to be a chef, and still work part time as a chef in a good standard of restaurant. I know that a lot of you are foodies. I predict that there must be a crossover at some point, where we all hate 'food ****s'. I present exhibit A; Thomas Bühner.

Thomas Bühner inspires with modern, three-dimensional aromatic cuisine.

The first dimension – which acts as the basis for all of his dishes – constitutes each individual product’s natural flavour. Bühner is convinced there is no more authentic and intense flavour than the original, pure flavour of a product. Which is why he always places the natural flavour in the foreground, often experimenting for weeks with various techniques to create purist “taste bombs”. A striking example of this approach is his “pure venison”, which he refines from year to year. Instead of going down the classic route of lightly roasting the meat and vegetables together to create a gravy, he has chosen to develop a jus using the unadulterated juices of the venison meat. To create this jus, he first roughly minces the meat and then heats it, vacuum-packed, in a bain-marie. Bühner then boils down the pure juice released from the meat in a vacuum evaporator. The resulting essence is served as a sauce with the venison – without adding any spices, roasted aromas or tannins.

The second dimension of his cuisine describes how he prepares his dishes: Bühner’s cuisine is dominated by his penchant for low-temperature cooking. The superbly gifted Head Chef’s motto is “take your foot off the gas”, and by this he is not only referring to the time taken to prepare a dish but, in particular, to the temperature at which it is cooked. Rather than pan-searing a fillet of fish, for instance, Bühner prefers to braise it for a few minutes in homemade infused oil at no more than 55°C. Meat and vegetables are also cooked “sous vide”, i.e. in a bain-marie, bringing out the different aromas and creating a much more relaxed atmosphere in the kitchen.

The third dimension represents the extensive range of his cuisine: rather than viewing his set menus as a collection of disparate courses, Thomas Bühner likens them to a symphony. Sometimes the violin can be heard, at other times it is the oboe – but strong emotions are only ever aroused when the whole orchestra comes together. Bühner loves these supposed opposites, and knows how to skilfully compose them when assembling his set menus: purist dishes are juxtaposed with playfully arranged plates, creating a sensuous dramaturgy.

Here's a video of one of his dishes, followed by a short explanation (as far as I can imagine).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niE5Dvb24rE

The first bits that go on, I think it's pasta??? Then a sea veg of some kind, possibly Purslane. Then Lobster Bolognese, then I guess a seafood jus from the lobster. Then clams, cleaned in water for 3 days, and cooked in salty water for 10 seconds. Then I'm guessing a thick bisque, a sea herb gel, black olives, perhaps squid ink gel??? Then it looks like bits of Trompette, but it could be some mad modernist olive/squid ink gear. More Lobster bisque, sprinkled saffron on top. Lobster tail, Burrata, raw potato marinated with black olives. And after all that, they dumped some micro watercress upside-down on it...

This guy has three stars... :confused:

Please feel free to name and shame food ****s, for the good of us all!

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Oops, forgot the Sea Urchin foam... ...
 
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I'm pretty sure people all took the mick when Heston started. There's always going to be people like that; that talk a big talk and make such a fuss over what they're doing. I'm sure he's one of those guys that insists he's an 'arteest' first and foremost.

That said, the dish looked fine to me. Probably too busy for me, and he ruined it with the foam at the end (pointless, hate the texture, never had one that brings anything to a dish). I'm sure every mouthful of it would be sublime, but you wouldn't know why :p

Although I joke about the 'arteest' chefs, if you think about it watching a painter paint and talk about what he's doing and why would be a massive turn-off. All you want to do is look at the finished product and enjoy it. Food is much the same. I enjoy Masterchef etc. but I don't need to read essays about how/why they do things.
 
Too much faff for my liking. I'd rather they just put it on the plate, why does it need to look like a pretty picture if the first thing you are going to do is cut it up?
 
Too much faff for my liking. I'd rather they just put it on the plate, why does it need to look like a pretty picture if the first thing you are going to do is cut it up?

I do disagree with that. Presentation is important, I don't want everything just slopped together. There is a balance though: Not messed with, just presentable.

[edit]Sorry, it sounded like I was disagreeing with you there. I agree that the plate in the OP is just fussy, but I like my plate in a restaurant to look the part still :)
 
Yeah. I'm sure it's been proven that you 'eat' with your eyes first. A well-presented dish is not-only pleasing to the eye but can make you enjoy it more.
 
Surely it will be cold by the time it reaches your table? I don't get this Mich Star business, well I do and I know what it's for etc but sometimes a little less artistry and keeping it simple is better. There is a restaurant in Derby called The Mansion, no Mich Star, juts VERY nice food and presented nice and tidy, not just plopped on the plate but displayed very nice. The food is amazingly tasty too. I had a beef and ale pie with chips there last year as my main and the pie was so nice, chips cooked to perfection and the added garnish/side bits accompanied the dish very well too. I will definitely have it again.

I think it cost me £80 give or take and that was 2 starters, 2 mains , 2 desserts and a few drinks. Highly recommend it if your in Derby at some point.

http://www.mansionderby.com/
 
Surely it will be cold by the time it reaches your table? I don't get this Mich Star business, well I do and I know what it's for etc but sometimes a little less artistry and keeping it simple is better. There is a restaurant in Derby called The Mansion, no Mich Star, juts VERY nice food and presented nice and tidy, not just plopped on the plate but displayed very nice. The food is amazingly tasty too. I had a beef and ale pie with chips there last year as my main and the pie was so nice, chips cooked to perfection and the added garnish/side bits accompanied the dish very well too. I will definitely have it again.

I think it cost me £80 give or take and that was 2 starters, 2 mains , 2 desserts and a few drinks. Highly recommend it if your in Derby at some point.

http://www.mansionderby.com/

Funny you say that, the first picture of food I see on that site is a sunday roast, served on a wooden board, complete with chips in a basket. Is that really the way food should be presented?

Michelin stars are basically awarded on the food - there's plenty of michelin star places that serve very nice, wholesome food served on a plate without any particular artistry. Towards the 3 michelin star level you need to be doing something really special though, hence why the restaurants tend to be a lot more creative/inventive, because they are aiming to give a more unique experience, rather than just a plate of food that you've had dozens of times before
 
I do disagree with that. Presentation is important, I don't want everything just slopped together. There is a balance though: Not messed with, just presentable.

[edit]Sorry, it sounded like I was disagreeing with you there. I agree that the plate in the OP is just fussy, but I like my plate in a restaurant to look the part still :)

Well, when I say just put it on the plate, I do mean serve it properly, I don't mean just throw it on there like it's a plate of cat food.

I just don't think I'd appreciate knowing that each individual piece on the plate has been touched and played with, and it doesn't really look that great either. The prep time probably leaves it all cold too.
 
I'm a Michelin star fan, mainly because I'm a foodie but that next level it becomes a whole entertainment experience rather than just food. The conversation turns to the food for example (especially if it's a taster menu), rather than just normal dinner chit chat. Some people may think that's a bad thing!

Went to a place in Stockholm called Gastrologik that's 2 stars. Best meal/food/dining experience I've ever had. Dishes delivered by the chefs, all explained and amazing food. 17 courses in all:

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Was really, really good and worth every penny.

Booked my best mate into the Fat Duck for his and his mrs' 30th and very jealous about that.

On the OP though, that plate looks crap from a presentation aspect!
 
My 30th is coming up in June, never been to a Michelin star restaurant before but would like to experience it, any recommendations for South Wales?
 
I'm a Michelin star fan, mainly because I'm a foodie but that next level it becomes a whole entertainment experience rather than just food. The conversation turns to the food for example (especially if it's a taster menu), rather than just normal dinner chit chat. Some people may think that's a bad thing!

Went to a place in Stockholm called Gastrologik that's 2 stars. Best meal/food/dining experience I've ever had. Dishes delivered by the chefs, all explained and amazing food. 17 courses in all:

6GJWYan.jpg


Was really, really good and worth every penny.

Booked my best mate into the Fat Duck for his and his mrs' 30th and very jealous about that.

On the OP though, that plate looks crap from a presentation aspect!

How much was that, if you don't mind me asking
 
To be fair there is normally a divide between "regular" restaurants and Michelin star restaurants with latter tailored towards providing that elusive "dining experience" rather than just a meal. This tends to be quite experimental depending on a restaurant but if I'm going Michelin star place I am expecting a bit more of a show and innovation whereas in a "regular" place I'm just expecting a good meal with a nice atmosphere. Still can't say I disagree that a lot of weird stuff can go on in those places but that's expected as for me those are not exactly every day eat out places.
 
Funny you say that, the first picture of food I see on that site is a sunday roast, served on a wooden board, complete with chips in a basket. Is that really the way food should be presented?

Michelin stars are basically awarded on the food - there's plenty of michelin star places that serve very nice, wholesome food served on a plate without any particular artistry. Towards the 3 michelin star level you need to be doing something really special though, hence why the restaurants tend to be a lot more creative/inventive, because they are aiming to give a more unique experience, rather than just a plate of food that you've had dozens of times before

Actually that's not true; supposedly....

It's all dependent on the location and circumstance. In the UK, we are pretty much grouped with the French, Spanish and Italians. We have fewer stars than any of them, and in the case of Spain and Italy, it's understandable why. Obviously, being a French guide, they heavily favour the French restaurants.

That said, it's widely known that the city with the most michelin stars is Tokyo. That, in my opinion, is due to the same phenomenon that the USA has an increasing number of stars. Please don't missunderstand me, there are incredible restaurants in the USA (Thomas Keller is my idol), and I'm sure the same is true in Japan. It does seem, however, that the newer markets get treated a little bit easier.

The example is above. The dish in the OP is ridiculously over-complicated, and while it may have some great flavour combinations, if you served that in the UK, you would get absolutely destroyed.

I suppose it shows just how inconsequential Michelin stars can be.
Anyway, the whole point of the thread was to name and shame food ****s, so go for it!
 
Now I think about it, this is a great place to name and shame food ****s on the other side of the pass.

I've seen some ridiculous TripAdvisor comments in my time. Here's one that I've found with a simple Google:

Maybe we're too demanding. We expected attentive service from the dowdy, lugubrious staff as opposed to being ignored after we asked for butter and tough things like fresh ground pepper. We also assumed incorrectly that the sommelier at this restaurant would actually know the wine he recommended and accurately describe the blend when I asked for a regional favorite and only requested a representative full bodied wine-- his choice was flat and uninspired. But the real disappointment was the food. The special entree of mushrooms was watery and salty-- and that was supposed to be the best dish. The specialty of the house, the lamb, was 50 percent fat and uninteresting but for the brown sauce. How can a highly rated restaurant offer no greens without bacon fat? The Chef's idea of a side salad, after we begged for it three times, was a small jumble of frisée in a salt bath. The prices are insulting-- we just dined three nights ago at a two star Michelin restaurant, L'Hostellerie de Plaisance in St. Emilion, that was less expensive and on another planet relative to this disaster. In case we have not been clear, Don't go!

https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/ShowU...rtzun_Guipuzcoa_Province_Basque_Country.html#

Here's another question... Do TV programmes enable people to think they know what they're talking about?
 
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That said, it's widely known that the city with the most michelin stars is Tokyo. That, in my opinion, is due to the same phenomenon that the USA has an increasing number of stars. Please don't missunderstand me, there are incredible restaurants in the USA (Thomas Keller is my idol), and I'm sure the same is true in Japan. It does seem, however, that the newer markets get treated a little bit easier.

Spend a few days in Tokyo and you'll understand why there are many michelin *s there - I don't think it has anything to do with the fact that it's a 'newer market'

There is certainly some inconsistency which will happen with any global restaurant guide, but I don't believe for one minute the lack of *s in the UK has anything to do with the guide being French. Outside of London, the fact is food in the UK isn't really that good. There's pockets dotted around here and there, but it's never had the history and culture that there is on continental Europe
 
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