Tories giving the disabled another kicking

Inherited wealth is the biggest barrier to social mobility in this country and yet no government has done anything about it.

Working people on PAYE are easy targets and get shafted, I'm sorry that the government is now looking at disability benefits but for a lot of families they have had their child benefit taken away - costing thousands - and may also loose some benefits on pension savings. So working hard doesn't necessarily pay.
 
Inherited wealth is the biggest barrier to social mobility in this country and yet no government has done anything about it.

Working people on PAYE are easy targets and get shafted, I'm sorry that the government is now looking at disability benefits but for a lot of families they have had their child benefit taken away - costing thousands - and may also loose some benefits on pension savings. So working hard doesn't necessarily pay.

Stealing the wealth of the dead has no place in a civilised society.
 
Yup, especially War Pensions as they made the decision to join the armed forces. Their fault.

There is no such thing as a 'War Pension'? Service personnel can be medically discharged and receive payments, or they can complete their service and receive their normal Service pension.

That said, I agree with you. No area of expenditure should be safe from cuts.
 
It's not at all "reasonable" to make an assumption based on lies told to you. Reminds me of:-

http://truepublica.org.uk/united-kingdom/british-public-perceptions-wrong-important-issues/

Which includes most people believing £24 out of £100 paid in benefits is fraudulently claimed, when the reality is it's just 70p out of £100. It actually costs more to run the governments fraud system (FRAIMS - which I worked on) than it ever saves from preventing fraud, such is the governments paranoia about giving "someone something for nothing". A better way to save money (which was actually proposed by Hewlett Packard but flatly refused) would be to introduce a flat rate benefit with simpler qualification rules. You could pay more money to more people and still reduce the benefits bill as the cost of administration would be magnitudes smaller. It currently costs around £7.5billion to administer all DWP benefits. I don't have the figures to hand for how much it costs to administer tax credits.

It would be "reasonable" if you made the assumption based on your own research however.

Do away with the qualification rules entirely and do a citizens income offset by tax instead. Additional support for disability can then be managed as social care rather than benefit spending.
 
Working people on PAYE are easy targets and get shafted, I'm sorry that the government is now looking at disability benefits but for a lot of families they have had their child benefit taken away - costing thousands - and may also loose some benefits on pension savings. So working hard doesn't necessarily pay.

When the new CB tests were brought in we didn't qualify for anything as we earn too much. That was the only real visible return on the frankly horrendous amounts of tax we pay. But as long as the work shy are fine...
 
Stealing the wealth of the dead has no place in a civilised society.

The dead can't own anything so it cant be stealing. I think it would be far more civilised that money be used from inherited wealth to give everyone a better chance, so there is genuine equality of opportunity.
 
Critical illness and personal injury insurance is cheap enough though.

The trouble is with my other half when we tried to get cover for her no one would touch her with that many health problems she has:(
It seems the world is against her at the moment, my Mrs decided to go to uni to make a better life for us both got her degree and not long after she graduated she fell ill and not worked since, this was 7 years ago, she is only 39 and i can't see here ever working again:( means tested or whatever they call it is a load of crap, they tried to get her to look for work she can hardly get out of bed :mad:
 
The dead can't own anything so it cant be stealing. I think it would be far more civilised that money be used from inherited wealth to give everyone a better chance, so there is genuine equality of opportunity.

The final step of ownership is to decide who owns it after you, inheritance tax takes that right away, or forces you to make those decisions much earlier to prevent the government helping itself.
 
No I am not, Please don't say something so utterly moronic.

School friend of mine worked right up until he was 32 and now he's in a wheel chair for the remainder of his life with very limited movement and his funds get cut off.

The heroin addict next door is the scum of the earth who routinely robs from shops in the city centre and has beaten up her daughter more than once yet gets 300 notes shoved in her hand once per week.

Yes, really you are. You have decided that drug addiction is not as worthy of support as your friends disability.
 
The dead can't own anything so it cant be stealing. I think it would be far more civilised that money be used from inherited wealth to give everyone a better chance, so there is genuine equality of opportunity.

There will never be an equality of opportunity, it would be absolutely impossible to create. That's ignoring the fact that it's a poor idea and will never happen. The electorate would never vote for it; people work to improve their lot, not to see others be given freely what they have broken their backs for. And if a person is fortunate to inherit then good for them! That wealth also had to be earned.

There are some shockingly Communist views in this thread :(
 
The final step of ownership is to decide who owns it after you, inheritance tax takes that right away, or forces you to make those decisions much earlier to prevent the government helping itself.

There's nothing to prevent wealth redistribution to the next generation while one is alive though. I suspect that's all that would happen.
 
The trouble is with my other half when we tried to get cover for her no one would touch her with that many health problems she has:(
It seems the world is against her at the moment, my Mrs decided to go to uni to make a better life for us both got her degree and not long after she graduated she fell ill and not worked since, this was 7 years ago, she is only 39 and i can't see here ever working again:( means tested or whatever they call it is a load of crap, they tried to get her to look for work she can hardly get out of bed :mad:

Sorry to hear that. My wife has a degenerative spinal condition affecting her neck, so I am familiar with some of the challenges, although my wife does work part time.

I am not a fan of the current disability benegit setup, it fails those who can't work by trying to force them, and fails those who can with a horrendous claim process and by encouraging the idea that if you can work there can't be much wrong. We are fortunate enough that our income means we can ignore the whole degrading process.

The problem is coming up with a system that is fair and not open to abuse, hence my support for a citizens income rather than a means tested employment substitute.
 
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