Tories giving the disabled another kicking

In fairness the only claim was that we 'seemed' to have a high bill compared to other countries. Depending on where you get your news from (reading Metro/Evening Standard, believing ministers press briefings) this is an entirely reasonable conclusion to draw.
 
Ah, a good old politics thread. Labour dish out the cash, the tories take it away. Swings and roundabouts for British politics then. Rage on one side and then the other....
 
Amp34 said:
No...:confused:

I'm pointing out humans act in bad ways, in the same way all animals do.
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Animals don't kill each other for sport or fun. Or put humans/pets in microwaves/ovens. Or throw acid over peoples faces.

Derek W said:
Ah, a good old politics thread. Labour dish out the cash, the tories take it away. Swings and roundabouts for British politics then. Rage on one side and then the other....
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How is it any different to other countries politics? Personally I despise the entire establishment.
 
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V F said:
Animals don't kill each other for sport or fun. Or put humans/pets in microwaves/ovens. Or throw acid over peoples faces.
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There is documented evidence that chimps do... Obviously the latter are distinctly human traits because very few other animals can operate microwaves. There is certainly precedent for extreme cruelty however...
 
Can you explain that a bit further please. Was the DWP straight out accusing you of faking it?
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mattcrane said:
TBH I wish I could even to begin to understand what there thinking was on this, even the judge was unable to try and explain it she was just amazed at it when she read it in the DWP paperwork so much so she was laughing for about 5mins while the Dr was trying to ask questions.

Even the ATOS assessor had stated that I was unfit for work for at least the next 2 years with improvement in the long term impossible due to having a degenerative spinal condition.

The joys of the DWP I am just so glad that I do not have to deal with them over PiP or DLA as I am in receipt of a decent RAF Pension and a Veterans Agency War Pension.

Anyone who does have to deal with them has my condolences.
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In my experience with this DWP shower I would say yes they were accusing you of faking it.
You have served your country, supply medical evidence for your claim and this is how they treat you. Absolutely disgusting.

I have been there to, they simply ignore medical evidence from doctors and consultants, then you have the worry of going to court. In my case it took 18 months before I was seen at the tribunal.

All I ever hear when I switch on the TV is how they are going to do this, that and the other to the disabled.
Hitler killed his disabled people, this Tory lot want to torture us first probably hoping that we take our own lives.

If you suddenly become ill or get an injury and cannot work then good luck because by god you are going to need it.
 
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robfosters said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35793004

Regardless of what they say, IMO, this boils down to one thing.

The PIP reforms did not yield enough of a drop in disability payments as they thought would (most people are winning their appeals), and now with the tax credit u turn, the Tories need to find more money.

What better way to do it than to alter, and pretty much rig the points system to make even more disabled people ineligible for the top rate.

I can't believe I voted for this lot. I was never aware they would hammer the needy as much as they are doing. I suppose they need the extra money to help raise the 40% tax threshold.
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The tories look out for their handshaking rich school boy friends, That is all that matters to them and I am always baffled why educated English ordindary men and women vote for them.

School friend of mine who broke his back when a car crashed into his due to the driver being drunk got his disability money cut because apparently he's not disabled enough even though he can't walk, Has no feeling from his collar bone down but can move his arms yet the heroin addict who lives next door to him that's never worked a day in his life gets £300 a week for doing sweet F.A.

This country needs a proper shake up.

The Mad Rapper said:
they should feel lucky they are getting anything..
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That is why we pay tax, So if we get ill or become unable to work part of the tax we have paid for all of our lives goes towards helping us, It's not for free, That's why tax exists.

For your sake I hope you never get ill enough to need help and when you ask for it you get told "You don't deserve anything more than water and bread".
 
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Nathan said:
Good. People need to be assessed differently.

The new current craze is agrophobia, all the drug users I deal with dialy have persuaded the authorities into defeat for this condition. That's an extra £40 a week for drugs.

They sit there smoking, I ask how they buy their cigarettes - walked the shop mate...brilliant.

Yes, genuine cases need support but we cannot keep supporting this current system - it's a joke. Do not get me started on mobility cars...the current drug dealer is driving around in a nice VW touran mobility car. He trains in the same gym as me and injects a lot of steroids. It's a joke.
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Benefit fraud accounts for 0.7% of the welfare bill. By all means it is despicable when people abuse the system but it is used by the government and the MSM to whip the public into a frenzy. Even simple things like language. They should be referred to as social security not benefits.
 
Dicehunter said:
The tories look out for their handshaking rich school boy friends, That is all that matters to them and I am always baffled why educated English ordindary men and women vote for them.
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I wished I lived in such a simple world where the above was true...

In reality all parts of society have taken a hit with the changes in tax, the rich more so despite getting rid of the (very political) 50% tax rate. Which is no surprise, the rich have more money after all.

However as the government is trying to reduce government spending then yes, those in receipt of it are going to see a more immediate and obvious effect. That doesn't mean it isn't hitting others, tax rises, changes to NI, changes to pensions all have an impact.

The real question is, what is the alternative? Labour really isn't credible at the moment, the Lib Dems have zero chance and UKIP are a joke.

Dicehunter said:
School friend of mine who broke his back when a car crashed into his due to the driver being drunk got his disability money cut because apparently he's not disabled enough even though he can't walk, Has no feeling from his collar bone down but can move his arms yet the heroin addict who lives next door to him that's never worked a day in his life gets £300 a week for doing sweet F.A.
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You do realise that you are also making the same sorts of value judgements that you accuse others of doing in the above statement?
 
RDM said:
You do realise that you are also making the same sorts of value judgements that you accuse others of doing in the above statement?
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No I am not, Please don't say something so utterly moronic.

School friend of mine worked right up until he was 32 and now he's in a wheel chair for the remainder of his life with very limited movement and his funds get cut off.

The heroin addict next door is the scum of the earth who routinely robs from shops in the city centre and has beaten up her daughter more than once yet gets 300 notes shoved in her hand once per week.
 
robfosters said:
Here we go again, getting started on the motability cars.

Is it so hard to understand, if you have major difficulty walking and getting around, you are paid £57 a week to help with mobility costs. You can use that money to get a car to help you get around. No extra costs are incurred upon the government than £57 a week which the disabled person gets anyway, car or not. Any excess costs are covered by the Motability organisation which runs as a charity with no government funding at all. If you're too stupid to realise these facts then I dont know what more I can say.
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TOLD

Now go read the daily mail :rolleyes:
 
Lartyconshayo said:
Benefit fraud accounts for 0.7% of the welfare bill. By all means it is despicable when people abuse the system but it is used by the government and the MSM to whip the public into a frenzy. Even simple things like language. They should be referred to as social security not benefits.
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That figure only refers to successfully prosecuted cases, there is another 1.4% you are missing if you are referring to identified over payments. source, and thata only the identified issues (which excludes anyone who hasn't been identified by definition.
 
Caged said:
In fairness the only claim was that we 'seemed' to have a high bill compared to other countries. Depending on where you get your news from (reading Metro/Evening Standard, believing ministers press briefings) this is an entirely reasonable conclusion to draw.
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It's not at all "reasonable" to make an assumption based on lies told to you. Reminds me of:-

http://truepublica.org.uk/united-kingdom/british-public-perceptions-wrong-important-issues/

Which includes most people believing £24 out of £100 paid in benefits is fraudulently claimed, when the reality is it's just 70p out of £100. It actually costs more to run the governments fraud system (FRAIMS - which I worked on) than it ever saves from preventing fraud, such is the governments paranoia about giving "someone something for nothing". A better way to save money (which was actually proposed by Hewlett Packard but flatly refused) would be to introduce a flat rate benefit with simpler qualification rules. You could pay more money to more people and still reduce the benefits bill as the cost of administration would be magnitudes smaller. It currently costs around £7.5billion to administer all DWP benefits. I don't have the figures to hand for how much it costs to administer tax credits.

It would be "reasonable" if you made the assumption based on your own research however.
 
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