So we are work shy now. Never mind I'm sure the Bullingdon cowboys will have us in the gas chamber before long.
Tories giving the disabled another kicking
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So we are work shy now. Never mind I'm sure the Bullingdon cowboys will have us in the gas chamber before long.
I didn't say you did?
It's where government policy is heading. Raiding the disability benefits, making us Dave for when we are ill.
The latter is immensely sorry sighted. Most people can't afford to save for when they have the flu. So what happens? They go to work, spread it around a bit.
There will never be an equality of opportunity, it would be absolutely impossible to create. That's ignoring the fact that it's a poor idea and will never happen. The electorate would never vote for it; people work to improve their lot, not to see others be given freely what they have broken their backs for. And if a person is fortunate to inherit then good for them! That wealth also had to be earned.
There are some shockingly Communist views in this thread
Nothing communist about having equality of opportunity. It could be as simple as spending money to create a school system where each school is as good quality as every other in the country, so you don't get the current system where wealthy people can move to a good school area to obtain a place and less wealthy have to settle to the failing school down the road.
I think you are getting confused with equality of outcomes which I am not advocating at all.
What other human rights are you happy to abuse? If none, can everyone just select one they are happy to abuse, or do you plan to enshrine the abuse of property rightservices in law but expect all other rights to be respected?
We had a system based on merit but it was abolished in most areas in the name of equality...
Unless you advocate removal of all children from their parents and equal treatment for them all via the state then equality of opportunity is a myth.
I didn't say you did?
It's where government policy is heading. Raiding the disability benefits, making us Dave for when we are ill.
The latter is immensely sorry sighted. Most people can't afford to save for when they have the flu. So what happens? They go to work, spread it around a bit.
You quoted me without clarification, I was just adding it, especially given the quality of some debaters here who love to argue what they want you to say rather than what you actually did.
It might be impossible to achieve but that doesn't stop you trying to make it more equal than it currently is. The issue with the grammar school system (which I assume you are alluding to) then all that happens is those that can afford to tutor their children to pass the entrance exam so it wasn't really based on merit.
It isn't really, it is just as poor, it is no panacea for social mobility that is for sure.
'Every penny we make in wages' ...
Why such emotional language? How is Dolph incorrect in what he's saying?
If you save sensibly and take responsibility it is really as simple as that. It's incredibly naive and downright stupid expecting the state to pick up after you. If you think this is the last round of cuts for the disabled you're very naive. They'll be coming back for seconds and thirds, fourths and fifths.
Just because perfect equality doesn't exist, doesn't really strengthen the argument for more inequality of opportunity, does it?
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I'm pointing out humans act in bad ways, in the same way all animals do.
If you aren't advocating the law of the jungle, great we've got that clear. With that said I'm not sure what baring such statements about animal behaviour actually have on a discussion about disability benefit.
Yes things happen in the jungle and around the world that are abominable to civilised society; no that doesn't really say the sick and the weak should be discarded.
This man makes valid points. If antics like above continue to occur, the benefit system will always be under severe pressures and review. We will forever be wary of claimant as people continue to abuse the system.
Pathetic. Grow up.
It depends what drives the inequality. Should the state punish those who made good personal choices through taxation and use the proceeds to reward those who made bad choices through benefits or tax credits?
Should good decisions be negated to reduce the impact of bad ones?
Is that really the way towards a healthy and productive society?
Not necessarily, but love and empathy certainly are. #utopiandreams
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I do think the current system needs looking at. For example my father gets a mobility car (or whatever the scheme is) for being deaf in one ear. All while claiming housing benefit and working full time cash in hand. It's just laughable really, and here's me paying vat on glasses so I can see.
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It really isn't.
Certainly long term income protection policies are not, when you take them as career specific.
Between life insurance, critical illness, income protection our direct debits total over £300 a month now.
I wouldn't be without them, but knowing the govt. there won't be any capacity should I lose a hand or similar.
I'm not sure we agree that rising to the top is all about simply making good choices, if we had a meritocracy I'd have greater understanding of your point.
While we're discussing inheritance and equality
http://www.cpag.org.uk/child-poverty-facts-and-figures
9 out of a classroom of 30 live in child poverty is THIS really the way towards a healthy and productive society?
Your dads tax evasion is partly to blame for the tax levied on you to be able to see.
I think the current system for tax also needs looking at, throughout my life the number of people I have met who admit (casually) to tax avoidance/evasion (which includes your father working cash in hand and likely his BOSS on a grander scale) is staggering.
P.S. avoidance while currently legal needs closing down and evasion needs some serious heads to roll...