To be fair, if more people made provision for ill health and accidents then there would be more money available to spend on those with inherited conditions.
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To be fair, if more people made provision for ill health and accidents then there would be more money available to spend on those with inherited conditions.
Citizens income offset against tax. There is still a redistributive element, but you no longer reward people for poor choices.
Pretty sure Dolph's chosen solution is a citizens income where everyone is treated equally. His criticism stems from the current system where bad decisions are supported to certain degrees.
Of course we have the issue where we would also be punishing children for the bad decisions their parents make, but then we do this anyway regardless of how decent our benefits system is.
You can't answer his question, can you.
The answer is that the question is outside the scope of my post. Inherited conditions are different to acquired ones in terms of what can be done to mitigate their impact.
This kind of thing is why debating on ocuk can be so frustrating, people using deliberate fallacies instead of engaging.
Yet is still isn't enough to cover the current commitments the government has, hence running at a deficit.
So what is the answer? We can tax more or we can spend less or we can do some of both. The current government is doing a bit of both. There is no stomach for a fundamental reform of how the government does business, so we keep fiddling around the edges.
Well don't pay the state for anything, the state takes money from us and spends it, with the possibility that we might get something at a later point if we meet the criteria at the time, which can be changed at any point. We are forced to allow the state to take this money whether we are happy with the terms or not.
If you are happy with the ever changing terms, then don't complain if they don't apply to your situation when you need the states support.
If a private company behaved that way, they would be buried by the compensation for misselling...
That doesn't stop bad parenting though. If you don't read to little Johnny, if you don't get little Johnny to start reading, if you don't instil in little Johnny the value of education the likelihood is that little Johnny has much less chance of being a "productive" member of society. Throwing money at the parents isn't going to change that.
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That was my problem 100%. I looked into it, but the minute I told them about my heart condition, no one wanted to know at all.
My wages were reasonable but not to the level where I could pug away hundreds and thousands to look after myself for years if I couldn't work. All I could do was work as long as I could and pay tax. I actually worked for a year longer than the doctor recommended until it was a physical impossibility and I had to leave possibly one of the best careers possible. I would have spent my life travelling the world. Even thinking about it upsets me. I see all my old workmates on Facebook and their all on postings in places like Tel Aviv, Santiago and Tokyo. It winds me right up.
But that's what happened, I have to live with that. I paid in as long as I could, but now, according to Mad Rapper, I still deserve nothing. I really can't see where anyone can get a moral compass quite like his.
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I think it's great that the conservatives are reviewing this and expect the press to be scaremongering. I'm sure those who do really need the money and assistance will continue to get it. The labour party gave money away to all. I expect we all know of people who have been feeding off of such handouts when not entirely justified.
To emphasis, as long as those who do indeed really need it are not affected
To emphasis, as long as those who do indeed really need it are not affected
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Not to mention people evading questions they can't answer without undermining their whole argument.
Stop playing tennis and stick to the topic
Very much on topic. It's such attitudes as those expressed above that makes things wrong in our society. Views alter some what when they're the ones reliant on the systems and safety blankets put in place to support them though. Not that I'd wish anything upon someone, a little more of a humble outlook from some wouldn't go amiss though, rather than just trying to be out right douche like.
Harping on about survival of the fittest and such guff is something I'd expect to hear from a youth though, not a fully grown life experienced man.
There are vermin on both sides here. Those that fleece the system that's set up for helping people that need it (I see this as the same as stealing charity money) and those that have a sense of entitlement because they are well off and think anything at all for people that need it is a bonus.
It's actually entitlement on both sides. My loser of a cousin hasn't held down a steady job in two decades but knows exactly what she is entitled to from the state. It sickens me.
It's actually entitlement on both sides. My loser of a cousin hasn't held down a steady job in two decades but knows exactly what she is entitled to from the state. It sickens me.
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I really couldn't care less what you think. You are skating on thin ice with some of your comments - if you disagree with my view then that's your right, but don't start posting vaguely disguised personal attacks.
If you read one of my earlier posts in the thread you'll see that my position in this is that no area of expenditure should be safe from cuts. Now, why not debate that instead of being childish?
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That's getting a little too personal.
I think it's been mentioned in this thread already, but the problem with assuming that everything you've accumulated in life is entirely down to your own abilities, and taxation is therefore theft, is ignoring the contribution that the state has had in getting you to that point.
If you employ people then they benefited from state spending in education, if you ship goods then you're benefiting from infrastructure built by the state, if you don't get robbed on a daily basis then that's due to the state spending on police, etc. etc. It's impossible to really put into monetary terms how much you're receiving back for your tax contributions because there's so many factors. Assuming that you're only receiving state support if you claim benefits or use the NHS is missing a lot out.
If you employ people then they benefited from state spending in education, if you ship goods then you're benefiting from infrastructure built by the state, if you don't get robbed on a daily basis then that's due to the state spending on police, etc. etc. It's impossible to really put into monetary terms how much you're receiving back for your tax contributions because there's so many factors. Assuming that you're only receiving state support if you claim benefits or use the NHS is missing a lot out.