Tories giving the disabled another kicking

Dolph said:
Stealing the wealth of the dead has no place in a civilised society.
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Nothing like sitting pretty on a pile of money you haven't earned eh?

I think humanity would have less of a problem with people getting massively rich if they knew this wealth would be redistributed once said billionaire died. It seems that the only people who disagree with targeting inheritance are those lined up for a big payout. Does it not feel wrong to people in this situation that they should receive a large sum of money for doing nothing? Effectively coming out of the right womb = free money, much like the monarchy.
 
Dolph said:
The final step of ownership is to decide who owns it after you, inheritance tax takes that right away, or forces you to make those decisions much earlier to prevent the government helping itself.
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But its not some faceless organisation is it? Its the government which represents the society the deceased was a member of. That society reasoned that the resources left behind by an individual over a certain amount should be redistributed for the common good.

Sounds very civilised to me.
 
wordy said:
Not to mention people evading questions they can't answer without undermining their whole argument.
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I have answered the question, twice. Your determination to ascribe me a position that I have never held and then challenge me on it doesn't make you a good debater, it makes you a dishonest one without a valid point.

For absolute clarity, I will cover this one more time.

There are two separate propositions here, one involving a healthy individual who has been able to work without issue, who should make preparations in the event of ill health, in addition to the safety net provided by the state.

The second involves someone who has never been healthy. This type of person is unlikely to be able to get into a position where they can protect against a future worsening of their illness, and as such should receive additional protection from the state, in addition to the standard safety net provided by the state.

No conflict, no punishment of those with lifetime conditions. It really is simple, I can't explain it any more simply without crayons. Just because this isn't the proposition you want to argue against doesn't change that.
 
danielanthony said:
Nothing like sitting pretty on a pile of money you haven't earned eh?

I think humanity would have less of a problem with people getting massively rich if they knew this wealth would be redistributed once said billionaire died. It seems that the only people who disagree with targeting inheritance are those lined up for a big payout. Does it not feel wrong to people in this situation that they should receive a large sum of money for doing nothing? Effectively coming out of the right womb = free money, much like the monarchy.
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Jealousy should not be a basis for policy, which is what you seem to be advocating here.

If abusing property rights due to Jealousy is fine, which other human rights can also be abused based on feelingetting aggrieved?
 
Gilly said:
There are vermin on both sides here. Those that fleece the system that's set up for helping people that need it (I see this as the same as stealing charity money) and those that have a sense of entitlement because they are well off and think anything at all for people that need it is a bonus.

It's actually entitlement on both sides. My loser of a cousin hasn't held down a steady job in two decades but knows exactly what she is entitled to from the state. It sickens me.
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This is spot on. I know full well there are people who claim fraudulently and believe me, this annoys the genuine disabled as well as we all end up being tarred with the same brush and the fraudsters end up being the governments excuse to reform, meaning cut, the disability awards.

Caged is right too. People benefit from tax money in ways they probably don't even realise most of the time.

If I fall ill and am left on the floor to fend for myself as Mad Rapper suggests I should be, why did I pay all that tax and NI over the years?
 
TheLegendOfMart said:
Isn't that what NI contributions are for?
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Nope, NI is run like a ponzi scheme, payments in now are used to pay past investors rather than invested to fund the return for the investor.


NI brings jn less than £100bn a year, it doesn't come close to covering the cost of the benefits system or the NHS, let alone the full scope of what it is supposed to cover. It is essentially a means of pretending we have a 20% income tax rate rather than a 32% rate for most taxpayers.
 
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robfosters said:
If I fall ill and am left on the floor to fend for myself as Mad Rapper suggests I should be, why did I pay all that tax and NI over the years?
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Because you are weak and should just be forgotten about it would seem. Why should we waste time and money caring for people after all?
 
Im unsure how some of these posts have not had you suspended Rapper, iv been suspended for saying less! I know its mods discretion but your getting close to the line on some of these.

Just to add my 2c to this whole topic also i disagree with it all disabled folks who are on top tier disability are there for a reason as they are severely disabled. Why should we cut there quality of lives they have no alternative?
 
The Mad Rapper said:
Where were you when I had to report the same post 3 times before any of you could be bothered to deal with it? Apply your rules equally or not at all.
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Underbosses cannot see RTMs. Dons and admins, who can, are not always online or might have a queue of tasks to complete before they can get to yours.

If you wish to have a faster response you might get one by starting a thread in Forum Content Discussion. Hope all of that helps.
 
The Mad Rapper said:
Where were you when I had to report the same post 3 times before any of you could be bothered to deal with it? Apply your rules equally or not at all.
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I don't live here old boy.

Reports are dealt with on the merits of their contents, at the discretion of the moderator.

If you have a problem post in forum content discussion.

There is no bias in the way reports are dealt with and no favouritism.

Good day :)
 
The Mad Rapper said:
I don't get this. I get pressured to contribute, so I do. Then people cry when they don't like what they read? You guys can't have it all ways.



Where is the gloating? I started posting because people were complaining about benefits being cut; they should feel lucky they are getting anything. If I throw you a crumb from my table be grateful, don't complain because it's not a steak.

I am not gloating about it, I'm just not irrationally emotional about it.
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Ok, the highlighted bit you posted above, so does that mean your opinion is that disabled should not get anything at all and the reason they do is because they are lucky? Disabled people should feel they are lucky then? oh the ironing :rolleyes:

Now can you also tell us what are the disabled meant to live on or how to survive and support themselves etc if according to you they are lucky to get anything?

What is your view of the disabled, whether that be the physically disabled or the the one's who have a mental health disability?

And how are other posters on here being irrationally emotional about this? In what way? people are pointing out exactly what the Tories are, bully's of the poor and less fortunate, and going off your posts you fit that bill also.

I bet you would never walk up to a disabled person and say "Hey, you should feel lucky you get anything", what would you be preaching if you had an accident that left you disabled and unable to leave home without any support from others.

You clearly have no clue regarding disability in any of it's forms.
 
I hate it when posters play the run to administer game. Holier than though BS. Mum he stole my sweets.....
Just an observation.
 
Dolph said:
Keeping what you earn includes deciding where it goes after you. Your determination to steal the property of the dead has no place in any society.
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Well if it isn't based on merit then stop pretending it is or should be.
 
Unicorn said:
Im unsure how some of these posts have not had you suspended Rapper, iv been suspended for saying less! I know its mods discretion but your getting close to the line on some of these.

Just to add my 2c to this whole topic also i disagree with it all disabled folks who are on top tier disability are there for a reason as they are severely disabled. Why should we cut there quality of lives they have no alternative?
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Suspended for what? I haven't attacked anyone. I've posted my views and that's it. If having an opinion is worthy of suspension then that's sad.
 
Efour said:
I hate it when posters play the run to administer game. Holier than though BS. Mum he stole my sweets.....
Just an observation.
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I dislike it when a forum member is pressured for an opinion, then when they provide it are barracked by the very same people. Personal attacks are not acceptable on this forum. If I can't defend myself as I would IRL without getting banned, then I am not going to accept some of the personal things some of you have posted either.

Just an observation.
 
Arazi said:
Ok, the highlighted bit you posted above, so does that mean your opinion is that disabled should not get anything at all and the reason they do is because they are lucky? Disabled people should feel they are lucky then? oh the ironing :rolleyes:
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Anyone on state support is living on the charity of others. So clearly what I meant was that you should be grateful that support is being provided at all, don't complain that it isn't enough.
 
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