She's living for free on the hard work of others. That's not right.
We shouldn't have to pay because some tart can't close her thighs or look after what crawls out.
Benefit claiming Mother of 8 cant pay the rent?
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She's living for free on the hard work of others. That's not right.
We shouldn't have to pay because some tart can't close her thighs or look after what crawls out.
It's a better solution that encouraging someone to have 8 kids and free house which is what this thread is mostly about......
Not really, because neither is actually a solution, it's merely reactive damage limitation.
Limit the benefit to one child and do you think a person who has 5 kids is going to:
a) Get a job which won't even cover the cost of childcare
b) Let them starve to death
c) Beg/steal/borrow to feed them
?
I'm guessing your answer is going to be something along the lines of "yes but they won't have 5 kids", but I assure you that they will. (" 'uman rights init bruv")
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I would struggle to afford to raise 1x kid on £20,000 a year, let alone 8.
Pretty much as she knows the system allowing her to do this.
Even if you are only interested in helping yourself, and it seems you are, then you should think about how you want these children (and others like them) to grow up - as copies of their ****less (rhymes with necklace) parents, or as functioning, productive members of society?
I'm not sure how we can drag them up without some form of investment.
And besides all that, I'm pretty sure this woman's day is a lot more hard work than yours or mine - 8 ****ing kids!
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To live on £30 a week?
Damn, she's getting away with it all right. Can you imagine how sweet that would be?
Fwoosh. Completely missing the point. Those 8 kids shouldn't exist in the first place. That is my point. If you cannot afford to have kids, or are incapable of looking after or supporting them you shouldn't have them. Simple as that.
Fine, but in the real world these things happen, so how do you deal with it?
Damn, Logic. I forgot all about the Logic.
They shouldn't exist, therefore we shouldn't look after them. It's like some kind of physics paradox.
Revolutionary. Are you published?
Like I said, glowing advertisement for the implementation of enforced sterilisation.
Well, ok that's one solution.....your problem being living in a liberal democracy, that's never going to happen.
Next plan?
As I stated in post #55, there is no perfect solution but we need to start some where and discouraging people to choose a lifestyle where they know the state will support them without clear limitations is better that your solution, which is what BTW?
Yes we all have human rights, but we also have reasonable responsibilities so it's not a human right to have 8 kids if you cannot support them.
Just because you use the phrase "simple as that", doesn't mean it is simple.
People shouldn't speed - but society still needs to deal with the consequences if they do.
People shouldn't commit murder - but society still needs to deal with the consequences if they do.
People shouldn't have more kids than they can afford - but society still needs to deal with the consequences if they do.
You can't legislate against people having children, unless you want to go full on China...
I never claimed to have a solution, which IMO is infinitely better than claiming to have a solution which hasn't been fully (or apparently at all) thought through.
Discouraging people is great, but it's not a quick fix (I reckon it will take several generations), and there still needs to be a way of dealing with what happens when that discouragement doesn't work.
The fact that cases like this are by far in the minority (despite how much the press tries to blow them out of proportion) shows that there is already a huge level of discouragement. Sure it's not perfect, and we should continue looking at ways to improve, but there are always going to be exceptions, and it's not realistic to just stick our collective heads in the sand and decide to ignore them.
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Hitler called from 1934, he wants his policy back.
Whats your solution? Continue to let people pop out as many sprogps as they want with no responsibility towards caring for them?
You can't try and argue people aren't educated enough in this country, they are. They just don't give a crap because they know somebody else will wipe their backsides financially for them.
Aren't the rules changing soon? Something along the lines of there being no benefits for 3+ children? I.e. the family can receive suitable benefits for 1 or 2 children, then after that they see no increase to cover any new ones arriving?
Well, yes, because so far you've not come up with any sensible or practical ways of stopping it.
If you can convince me there is another (sensible) way, I will listen
Surely we as a society have the choice to discuss how we deal with people wanting more children than they can support?
Seems like your solution (which again you have not suggested one yet) is to get the state to bail out irresponsible people in society. Based on your post, then this must be you suggestion:
People shouldn't speed - But the state must give them benefits to pay the for the consequences and support them.
People shouldn't commit murder - But the state must give them benefits to pay the for the consequences and support them.
People shouldn't have more kids than they can afford - But the state must give them benefits to pay the for the consequences and support them.
That;s the only thing i can see you suggesting so far.