Any 32" 1080p monitors?

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Getting the kids a large monitor for their room to play co-op games and watch films together.

No interest in getting a TV for reasons of input lag, motion blur, lack of pixel density etc.

Would preferably be IPS/VA for better viewing angles.

The biggest I can find is 28" which is fine but anything larger would be a bonus.

Thanks.
 
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Gimpymoo said:
Getting the kids a large monitor for their room to play co-op games and watch films together.

No interest in getting a TV for reasons of input lag, motion blur, lack of pixel density etc.

Would preferably be IPS/VA for better viewing angles.

The biggest I can find is 28" which is fine but anything larger would be a bonus.

Thanks.
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The Samsung S32E590C. Should work nicely for your uses. The only thing to be aware of is that it has a 'sharpness bug' which occurs when you first turn it on sometimes. It becomes soft and text will look obviously wrong (fringed), but is easily corrected by switching to AV then back to PC mode. It never occurs part way through a session (i.e. only when first switched on).
 
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The Samsung S32E590C. Should work nicely for your uses. The only thing to be aware of is that it has a 'sharpness bug' which occurs when you first turn it on sometimes. It becomes soft and text will look obviously wrong (fringed), but is easily corrected by switching to AV then back to PC mode. It never occurs part way through a session (i.e. only when first switched on).
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Would the curve affect viewing from angles?
 
When I was looking for my monitor a couple years back, the best I could find at a reasonable price was this 27 inch. It's not too bad, but I've gotten used to the size so I can't go back down to less than 27 inch now XD I hope bigger monitors with the cool stuff like 1440p, 120hz and Freesync/G-sync get released in the future. 27 inches is as big as they go currently.
 
Gimpymoo said:
Am I being a snob for NOT wanting a TV?
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Well, pixel density is going to be the same whether it's a TV or monitor, motion blur and input lag are dependent on the model, but many TVs have a "gaming mode" which turns off all the enhancements and gives better response

Think you'll struggle to find a 1080p monitor bigger than 27"
 
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Gimpymoo said:
No interest in getting a TV for reasons of input lag, motion blur, lack of pixel density etc.

Would preferably be IPS/VA for better viewing angles.


Thanks.
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please explain how a 32" monitor has higher pixel density @ 1080p than a 32" 1080p tv?

also input lag is greatly exaggerated. i cannot see input lag on my GT50 which is around 30-40ms. i also game on a monitor with no input lag what so ever and there is no difference.

if i don't put my tv into game mode it's then around 100ms and the lag is noticeable straight away and unplayable.

what i'm trying to say is anything below 40ms is negligible. which a decent tv will be.


Gimpymoo said:
Would the curve affect viewing from angles?
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curved tv's aren't boomerangs, it's a subtle curve in most circumstances you don't even notice it's curved.

Gimpymoo said:
Am I being a snob for NOT wanting a TV?
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i would say so.

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/ue32j6300-201507124139.htm

"Samsung’s highest-ranked 1080p HDTV for 2015"

Measured panel refresh rate 120Hz
Input lag (high-speed camera) 31ms compared to lag-free CRT
Leo Bodnar input lag tester 42ms in [PC] mode
Full 4:4:4 reproduction (PC) Yes, with 60hz signal and [PC] input label


Motion

For a £500 TV, the motion handling on the 32J6300 was outstanding – we honestly didn’t expect Samsung to equip such an affordable set with some of the best motion-enhancing technologies available on the market.
Lovers of black frame insertion (BFI) can activate the tech on the UE32J6300 by switching on [LED Clear Motion] in the [Auto Motion Plus] “Custom” submenu, which improves motion clarity tremendously without incurring interpolation artefacts or soap opera effect (SOE) in 24fps movies. Some image darkening and flicker inevitably ensued due to how BFI works, but the former could be adequately compensated for by cranking up [Backlight] (we measured a max luminance of 150 cd/m2 in full-field white with [LED Clear Motion] engaged), whereas the latter was a non-issue (for us) in most real-life material except during truly bright scenes.
Viewers who demand higher brightness or are particularly sensitive to flicker can also choose to forgo black frame insertion, and use the separate deblur and dejudder controls (again found in the [Auto Motion Plus] “Custom” submenu) to achieve high motion resolution with minimal side effects.
We watched a ton of Wimbledon matches on the 32in Samsung J6300 off the TV’s internal Freeview HD tuner, and were very happy with what we saw. Colours looked wonderfully realistic with greens appearing especially lush; there’s no ghosting or triple-ball effect; and only very rarely we spotted the odd stutter which we couldn’t be sure wasn’t in the broadcast source itself.

Gaming

Samsung’s 2015 TVs have consistently delivered the lowest input lag among television models we’ve tested this year, but unfortunately the rabbit hole did not extend deep enough to the UE32J6300. Our Leo Bodnar device returned a figure of 42ms with the TV’s HDMI input labelled as [PC] which also permitted for full 4:4:4 chroma reproduction.

Conclusion
The Samsung UE32J6300 is without doubt the best 32-inch TV we’ve reviewed so far when it comes to picture quality. As more and more buyers opt for larger TVs, the 32″ segment has become somewhat neglected, with displays of this screen size invariably getting handicapped in the areas of calibration controls, colour accuracy, native 24p playback or motion resolution.
Samsung’s 32in J6300 proved to be a wonderful exception. It offered the full suite of 10-point white balance controls and advanced colour management system (CMS) as found on the company’s higher-end 4K Ultra HD models costing thousands of pounds more, contributing to outstandingly accurate image rendition once greyscale and colours were dialled in. Motion handling was another big step up over other 32-inch televisions we’ve seen: the 32J6300 presented 1080p/24 Blu-ray films smoothly without judder or interpolation, and even had room for an eminently usable black frame insertion (BFI) system to boost motion clarity.
If we had to nitpick, input lag could be lower, though please bear in mind that the numbers posted by the UE32J6300AK were perfectly acceptable for playing video games right before the 2013 and 2014 Sonys as well as 2015 Samsungs came along and blew everything else out of the water. Viewing angles were also not the best, but it’s par for the course for VA LCD panels, and we’d take this over the shallower blacks and reduced contrast that plague IPS screens any day.
And it’s not as if the price of the UE32J6300 is prohibitive; in fact, it’s downright affordable. The recommended retail price (RRP) is set at £500, but street price has already dropped to around £400 at this time of writing. If you’re in the market for a new 32″ TV, the Samsung UE-32J6300 should be your first choice, even if you’re not a fan of the curved screen format.


currently available for £349 with a 5 year guarantee at john lewis
 
Thanks Sonny, food for thought.

Anyone know about these:

Sony KDL-40R453C
Sony KDL-32R403C

Does the "gaming mode" actually do what it is advertised to do?
 
Gimpymoo said:
Having only gamed on monitors, how noticeable is it?
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Depends. How much do you play fast action and reaction speed games, like first-person shooters (Battlefield, etc.) or fighting games (Street Fighter, etc.)? For the average gamer, 30ms is usually good enough, but it's so on the edge usually, that for example, if you enable v-sync (which increases input lag as a side effect), the input lag will affect your overall enjoyment for the game.

Also, few years ago Sony became known as the input lag king for HDTVs, so you are indeed going for the right direction. For 4k TVs, Samsung is the better option, though. Check this list for more information.

I have over and over again recommended Sony's KDL42W705 and KDL42W653 sets. Unfortunately, they are getting old, so you might have trouble finding them on stock, and I haven't found a good site that would review their current offerings. You can also check this site, but they apparently use the same input lag and pixel response time values for all the sizes within the same model line. IMO, this is a bad policy, and can make more than a 30% difference between units. But hopefully it gives some sort of ballpark figure, at least.

Fairly recently I also recommended the potential spiritual successors for the above mentioned Sonys, the KDL43W755 (/W756) and KDL40W705. I don't have any input lag values for those, but judging from the feedback, at least that particular person was very happy with the KDL43W756CSU.

But indeed, the TV industry (reviewers included) is moving away from 32" sets, so you might have a hard time finding a good one nowadays. 50" and up seems to be where the main focus is going. Better profit margins, I guess.
 
Gimpymoo said:
Thanks Sonny, food for thought.

Anyone know about these:

Sony KDL-40R453C
Sony KDL-32R403C

Does the "gaming mode" actually do what it is advertised to do?
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stay away from those. sony are almost dead in the tv market these days. they don't make their own panels any more.

the only sony tv's worth buying now are the expensive ones which use panels from other high end manufacturers like samsung.

basically if you want a tv look no further than the j6300 i linked to.

anything cheaper and it will be crap. anything more expensive and your throwing money away in the 32" market.
 
Psycho Sonny said:
stay away from those. sony are almost dead in the tv market these days. they don't make their own panels any more.

the only sony tv's worth buying now are the expensive ones which use panels from other high end manufacturers like samsung.

basically if you want a tv look no further than the j6300 i linked to.

anything cheaper and it will be crap. anything more expensive and your throwing money away in the 32" market.
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I don't think Sony has made their own panels for quite a long time. And with regards to input lag, they were the top dogs in 2012-2014. Furthermore, the highest achievers were actually in the low-mid-range, £500. So I'm not sure I understand how the fact that they are using others' panels would make them a worse choice? From what I've understood, Samsung and LG are indeed the biggest panel manufacturers, but even they use panels from other manufacturers, even from each other. Indeed, the TV and panel industry isn't as simple as one would hope.

That's why one should always go for the reviews, and hope that they haven't changed the internal components in the meanwhile. <<<--- And yes, this has happened before, for example with the Philips 5500-series in 2012. First units used the substantially better Sharp UV²A panel and the TV got 5 stars from the review. Then they silently changed the panel type to Samsung's PVA, but fortunately the reviewer got a wind of this, and reviewed the new models as well, and subsequently dropped the rating to 3 stars.
 
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