government cuts tax credits for 800,000 people without a parliamentry debate

Osborne with all his cuts, is still in charge of an economy that he will tell us is in a perilous position tomorrow.

It makes you wonder if his policies were any good.
 
Regardless of your opinions of George Osborne's economic prowess or lack of, I don't think anyone could argue that he doesn't have an incredibly punchable face.
 
To be fair, it doesn't seem that unreasonable. If someone is getting state benefits as if they are earning £15,000 but actually earns £19,000 is that harsh to say "you need to pay back any money you wouldn't have got if you had stated £19k in the first place"?

If I earnt, say, £4k more on my salary then HMRC wouldn't say "don't worry about paying tax on that extra four grand as we did our calculations at the start of the year and didn't account for it" would they?

I see benefits as a kind of reversed income tax and don't see why the same rules shouldn't apply to people giving as receiving.
 
Wait - so the threshold/trigger by which people will be reassessed to ensure they're being paid the correct rate of credits has been lowered? How is that unfair?

They're somehow losing out because they'll be assessed and paid the correct rate quicker if their income goes up and won't be able to keep surplus payments they aren't entitled to? Oh how unfair... seriously this is like the benefits equivalent of 'micro aggressions'.
 
estebanrey said:
To be fair, it doesn't seem that unreasonable. If someone is getting state benefits as if they are earning £15,000 but actually earns £19,000 is that harsh to say "you need to pay back any money you wouldn't have got if you had stated £19k in the first place"?

If I earnt, say, £4k more on my salary then HMRC wouldn't say "don't worry about paying tax on that extra four grand as we did our calculations at the start of the year and didn't account for it" would they?

I see benefits as a kind of reversed income tax and don't see why the same rules shouldn't apply to people giving as receiving.
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Will they get 10 years to pay it back, at a reduced rate? :D
 
Freakbro said:
I totally disagree, they did a lot of good and tempered the Tories well for the amount of power they had, which wasn't a huge amount.
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A lot of good? Such as what? Nick Clegg couldn't even keep his promise on tuition fees, forced to do an embarrassing U-turn for which the Lib Dems were punished by the electorate last time around.
 
estebanrey said:
To be fair, it doesn't seem that unreasonable. If someone is getting state benefits as if they are earning £15,000 but actually earns £19,000 is that harsh to say "you need to pay back any money you wouldn't have got if you had stated £19k in the first place"?

If I earnt, say, £4k more on my salary then HMRC wouldn't say "don't worry about paying tax on that extra four grand as we did our calculations at the start of the year and didn't account for it" would they?

I see benefits as a kind of reversed income tax and don't see why the same rules shouldn't apply to people giving as receiving.
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I don't believe you quite understand the magnitude of these cuts. I suggest that you read some of the well written articles concerning just how much these cuts will hit even middle class working families.

Absolutely awful. The next couple of years are going to be incredibly hard. It just makes no economic sense to hit hadest those that need any support they can get, cut deals for the richest % and throw money at far less important things like Crossrail, HS1, HS2... hundreds of millions to Trident...makes me sick.
 
Sliver said:
A lot of good? Such as what? Nick Clegg couldn't even keep his promise on tuition fees, forced to do an embarrassing U-turn for which the Lib Dems were punished by the electorate last time around.
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There's plenty of info if you want to look, a lot of it behind the scenes stuff. But no surprise you only remember the student loan u-turn due to all the negative press.

But show me a politician that hasn't done a u-turn on a policy? And in this case it was due to compromising with the Tories, they won some they lost some, it's how coalitions work.

Anyway a couple off the top of my head

The pledge for the £10k personal allowance, which took 3 million of the lowest paid out of paying tax. In 20 years the PA had gone up 3k, in 5 yrs it went up 4k due to them

Stopping the Tories from passing the snoopers charter, which unsurprisingly has just been passed.

So by tempering, it wasn't always about getting their policies in (but there were plenty more they did get) but stopping some more of the undesirable Tory ones
 
Sliver said:
A lot of good? Such as what? Nick Clegg couldn't even keep his promise on tuition fees, forced to do an embarrassing U-turn for which the Lib Dems were punished by the electorate last time around.
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While Clegg did ruin the Liberal Democratic Party (damage that will take time to repair, imho), he did use his party and their position within the coalition to prevent the Tories doing whatever they wanted.

Now we (the people/population) find ourselves with no-one to prevent what the Tories want to do and we are seeing the full extend of their political ideologies (privatised public services for example).
 
Rorxy said:
Absolutely awful. The next couple of years are going to be incredibly hard. It just makes no economic sense to hit hadest those that need any support they can get, cut deals for the richest % and throw money at far less important things like Crossrail, HS1, HS2... hundreds of millions to Trident...makes me sick.
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Makes me wonder what will happen for a hot summer this year and next... Unrest? Plus they haven't even been in a year yet. Imagine what it will be like by 2020.
 
Rorxy said:
I don't believe you quite understand the magnitude of these cuts. I suggest that you read some of the well written articles concerning just how much these cuts will hit even middle class working families.

Absolutely awful. The next couple of years are going to be incredibly hard. It just makes no economic sense to hit hadest those that need any support they can get, cut deals for the richest % and throw money at far less important things like Crossrail, HS1, HS2... hundreds of millions to Trident...makes me sick.
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I don't think you understand that there aren't really cuts in this instance, it is just that people will be reassessed to receive the correct rate of tax credits quicker if/when their wages rise. They won't hit middle class families, tax credits are for low earners.
 
Freakbro said:
The pledge for the £10k personal allowance, which took 3 million of the lowest paid out of paying tax. In 20 years the PA had gone up 3k, in 5 yrs it went up 4k due to them
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I'm not sure it is completely due to them, the Tories have since raised it themselves too and will do again
 
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