Poll: Investigatory Powers Bill or "Snoopers' Charter" has been approved

[Emlyn_Dewar]

Political system in the UK is an absolute joke.
If only we'd got away when we could.

Just need to vote ourselves out the EU now, that should get rid of the last of our rights.

If they oppose the bill in its current form then they should have expressed that in the vote. I am not sure what abstaining achieves other than demonstrating apathy.

They want it, as much of the rest as the ***** do. We don't have any real opposition parties.
Really earning their money today, sitting on their fat, waste of life asses.

 

[Dis86]

Care to back up that up? Capitulated again? The SNP abstained in order to demand for the legislation to improve at the next reading. They will oppose it at the final reading if new committee powers are not drafted to safeguard privacy and liberty.

Surely they could have achieved that by voting against it instead of doing nothing?

 

[V F]

Like being able to claim £35 for breakfast? Must have been good for £35.

Certainly wouldn't have been a Sausage & Egg McMuffin with a coffee.

I was thinking all the chauffeuring, 5 star hotels, fancy dinners, holidays and flights. Then of course expenses and what other free perks they get.

 

[doofer]

Got something to hide?

Do you wear clothes? Have curtains/blinds? Tell everyone what you earn? Give everyone your Passwords?

It's the moronic 'Nothing to hide' and 'Think of the Children!' Brigades that lets Govts. walk all over the people it should be working for and accountable to.

 

[Vulcan]

Do you understand how the legislative process works?

Yes.

 

[Vulcan]

Why did you say they'd voted it in, then? They haven't.

It's in the article, I never said it was an Act which I think it where you are getting confused.

 

[Caged]

I too would much rather argue semantics than discuss the bill

 

[phil675]

Got something to hide?

Question Time audience member pls go

 

[Vulcan]

Where in the article? In the article they talk about passing it, not voting it in, as you said.

They voted it in, as opposed to voting it out and rejecting it, as it states in the article multiple times. It can now proceed to the next step...

Government wins vote on Investigatory Powers Bill

Parliament has passed bill by 266 votes

I too would much rather argue semantics than discuss the bill

Indeed.

 

[randal]

And the only question I have is:

What are you going to do about it?

Like me, sigh. Not much.

 

[Mynight]

And the only question I have is:

What are you going to do about it?

Like me, sigh. Not much.

No different than what I already do. I don't have the power to do anything about it.

To be honest it's most likely already going on but it's being made "official" now .

 

[Mynight]

You can't magically impose your will, but you can inform yourself and make a decent case to your MP, if you have a good point.

My MP agrees with it so rather pointless trying to persuade him otherwise. He's going with the sound bites of paedofiles and terrorists. Can't counter stupid.

 

[Deleted User 234324]

So freedom is being snooped on, having everything you say or do recorded. Doesn't sound like freedom to me at all.

 

[Mynight]

That's the spirit!

Lack of choice really.

Spend a few hours writing a letter explaining my point of view to have it "filed" with a generic reply or just crack on and accept the inevitable.

Between the two options I'd prefer to spend the few hours making it more difficult to snoop on me.

Bare in mind I do know the guy and chat with him quite a lot. It's not purely defeatist it's also accounting for his stance on the subject.

 

[murah]

I don't like it, nothing to hide unless they want to see what porn I've been watching but also just like my privacy. Fair enough there isn't a whole lot already on the internet and it's probably something that goes on behind closed doors already but ignorance is bliss I think in that case.

Would be one of the ones likely to consider a non-logging VPN , no not a tin foil hat guy here either!

 

[Emlyn_Dewar]

And the only question I have is:

What are you going to do about it?

Like me, sigh. Not much.

I'll moan a bit, then do nothing...

 

[Guy]

I don't like how vague this bill is about internet communications record, this has been the problem with previous bills. Reading the evidence that has been submitted by people from the industry is an interesting read, but looks to have been in vain. I'm interested to see who will be funding this record keeping at an ISP level.

I contacted my MP about it, but looks like have abstained or been absent...

 

[krooton]

Maybe I will start using PGP and my VPN for all boring, day-to-day communications just for the hell of it

 

[Cosimo]

She's watched you.

 

[opethdisciple]

The last I heard on this matter is that they where still thinking about it as they underestimated the cost of it and it will be something like 1.6bn.

They calculated this from how much Denmark evaluated it would cost them and then scaled it up to our population.

The Danish rejected the proposal on cost.

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It's odd that Google, Apple, Microsoft and all the other big players are 'seemingly' not in bed with the government.

I would have thought before Wiki Leaks and Edward Snowden the NSA would have all sorts of deals in place with the big three already.