Why do we hate cycling in this country?

What would happen when an uninsured bike rider causes an accident or is found contributory negligent to an RTA ? Presumably in law they are still liable and must still make reparations. The courts don't just say, "Defendant has no insurance, plaintiff carries all costs", do they ?

I'll just say again that I have public liability insurance for my cycling.
 
I'll just say again that I have public liability insurance for my cycling.

Then you sir are the kind of cyclist we need more of.

The problem is that with no insurance, i'm sure there are a big% of bycicle incidents are hit and run, especially in city traffic, how can you claim damages from a stranger with no registration on their vehicle and no easy way to identify them?

I forgot one thing to add to my earlier post; lights, now i dont blame any cyclist for wanting to light themselves up like a christmas tree in the dark, its safer for you and its safer for me.

But this fashion for having what appear to be small pulsars attatched to the front of a bike aimed directly at traffic has to stop, theres far too many are as bright or brighter than car mainbeams, there's being seen for safety and there's blinding people, so please point them at the ground.
 
I cant be bothered as there can be no reasonable argument against either

Good to know that you have well reasoned arguments are so obviously right.

A reasonable position would be to read the points I made (I know you can't be bothered because you've made up your mind and think you're right) and refute them. I won't hold my breath.
 
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I must get out on my bike again more. Truth be told I only use it for cycling greenways and designated x country trials. I have no interest in road riding, not because it's dangerous but simply as I don't enjoy it much.

Given the pollution and obesity rates this country is seeing it really should be more popular than it is.
 
The problem is that with no insurance, i'm sure there are a big% of bycicle incidents are hit and run, especially in city traffic, how can you claim damages from a stranger with no registration on their vehicle and no easy way to identify them?

I forgot one thing to add to my earlier post; lights, now i dont blame any cyclist for wanting to light themselves up like a christmas tree in the dark, its safer for you and its safer for me.

But this fashion for having what appear to be small pulsars attatched to the front of a bike aimed directly at traffic has to stop, theres far too many are as bright or brighter than car mainbeams, there's being seen for safety and there's blinding people, so please point them at the ground.

Both good points. The first is hard to mitigate (Would dashcams be any use ? Are they submissible evidence ?), but the second is clearly something non-driver cyclists need to be taught.
 
It's a double edged sword - some will deliberately aim them at cars because there is no way in hell drivers can miss them, so it prevents the SMIDY nonsense.

There does need to be something done about it though I agree.
 
It's a double edged sword - some will deliberately aim them at cars because there is no way in hell drivers can miss them, so it prevents the SMIDY nonsense.

There does need to be something done about it though I agree.

The bigger problem is that they are intense point sources with a wide range of light outputs,

As such, in the dark, they provide very poor distance information.

He could be 100 yards away, He might be right on top of you. How can you tell??
 
I personally do have 3rd party insurance for when I'm cycling as I cycle for pleasure and hit fast speeds and ultimately could damage someone/thing quite badly. An old dear riding at 7-10 mph really isn't going to cause a great deal of damage.

Good on you for having insurance.

7 - 10mph will still cause some rather expensive damage to a car, have you seen how expensive it Can be to replace a door or panel, or even a respray.
 
The bigger problem is that they are intense point sources with a wide range of light outputs,

As such, in the dark, they provide very poor distance information.

He could be 100 yards away, He might be right on top of you. How can you tell??

Rule 114 said:
You must not use any lights in a way which would dazzle or cause discomfort to other road users, including pedestrians, cyclists and horse riders

Which is why its recommended to have a fixed light source, but bicycles are permitted to use flashing lights (I don't like them myself, however I do use the "orb" setting on my Exposure Blaze rear light. It's a very slow pulsing of the light which - from experimentation - does improve visibility). I've seen some with just blinking, some with both, and some with just a fixed light source.

I prefer the solar flare bright fixed light, aimed away (down) from other road traffic.

But a blinking light is better then none.

How many times do you come across a car with their fog lights on, blinding all and sundry? It happens fairly often in my experience.
 
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Bike gear should be restricted to essentially Tron outfits and the bikes kitted out accordingly.

Non dazzling, easy to see from a distance, gives an idea of displacement relative to the driver and looks sweet. Have one side of the road with red cycle line and the other with a blue to inform the cyclist what colour outfit to switch to via a button on bike/bike gear, so you can tell if they are coming to you or going away from you easier.

My support for this is not fuelled by bike safety.
 
Bike gear should be restricted to essentially Tron outfits and the bikes kitted out accordingly.

Non dazzling, easy to see from a distance, gives an idea of displacement relative to the driver and looks sweet. Have one side of the road with red cycle line and the other with a blue to inform the cyclist what colour outfit to switch to via a button on bike/bike gear, so you can tell if they are coming to you or going away from you easier.

My support for this is not fuelled by bike safety.

I know you're going to be somewhat glib, but what is your plan for Pedestrian outfits?
 

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The Gov. don't want to spend money.

You are right as to why people get annoyed with cyclists, because they hold up the traffic and create potentially dangerous situations where drivers have to be careful in regards to overtaking.

I think cycling is great fun and I enjoy it, I hate riding on the roads though it makes me very stressed, I would also never go out for a 'pleasure ride' during rush hours.

The same time when I approach a cyclist in my car I groan, but at least as I have experience of both I understand how they feel when I pass them, a car is intimidating and stressful so I try and give them plenty of room. The roads are very narrow here which doesn't help. Not everyone understands this and just whizzes by.

Normally I'd read the whole thread to see what others had replied, but I'm going to make an exception here, and probably repeat other posters, but meh. Anything I write is from the perspective of someone who doesn't live/drive in a city, but on more rural roads, which are either single carriageway A roads or B roads/wide enough for 2 cars *just* or have passing places.

I am a mid-30s, overweight car driver, who owns a few bicycles of various types (Road/Mountain) and doesn't ride any of them as much as I should/want to. The reason for this is because I'm lazy, hence why I'm fat.

To your first point: Cyclists do hold up drivers, but the speed they're going, you can overtake them as soon as there's any kind of gap. They may hold you up for up to 30 seconds, but usually it's a lot less than this.
MOST cyclists I encounter are riding at between 10 and 20 mph. Usually at the lower end of that. Cars on the other hand are a lot harder to pass, and are far more annoying. They slow down for corners when they don't need to, and speed up to at or near the speed limit when there's an otherwise convenient/safe place to overtake. Car drivers are idiots when you're stuck behind one. Cyclists generally stay the same (slow) speed. I can be stuck behind the same idiot car for about 15 miles if the roads are a bit more busy than I'd like (deserted).

The only people that create dangerous overtaking scenarios is the people doing the overtaking. I.E. the cars. You may get held up for a few seconds behind a bike, but then you'll get held up by some other idiot round the corner. Or a set of traffic lights or whatever. You're not in THAT much of a rush. Ever, surely.

Groups of riders can be different, even though they're allowed to ride two abreast (and should) on a normal road... doing so on a narrower road means I can't overtake and they **** me off. It's just rude. I have no time for such riders. If they're really holding someone up I think they should go back to single file and split the pack a bit so cars can leapfrog them a few at a time. That's what my club does, anyway.

I'm lucky; I've never really had a problem with other road users when out on my bike. But then I show courtesy/gratitude to them when I can and get the same back. Maybe things are different in Yorkshire (not sure where you are, actually).

I make sure I'm well-visible in all conditions which really helps, I think.

But I agree with Fishfluff. I wish the gov. would actually spend some money, sensibly on this huge remedy to the health and other problems that it would solve. The main cause for there being a lot of traffic problems on the roads, is that there's a lot of traffic on the roads.

Make it easier/more attractive (safer) for people to cycle everywhere that they'd otherwise drive (within reason) and I'm sure they'd do so.
 
But this fashion for having what appear to be small pulsars attatched to the front of a bike aimed directly at traffic has to stop, theres far too many are as bright or brighter than car mainbeams, there's being seen for safety and there's blinding people, so please point them at the ground.

People misuse them. They are bright because they are supposed to illuminate the road directly in front of you and as such should be pointed towards the ground about a metre or so in front of you. That's what I do and its essential for lighting my way on unlit roads. I agree though, people just shine them out in front rather than pointing towards the ground. It is annoying.
 
I have an issue with the fact such a large % of cyclists ride around like idiots ignoring laws.

Prime example yesterday I was crossing the road at lights which were red and when i was half way across two cyclists shot by very close at very fast speed. Complete idiots.

And before people say the roads are full of idiot drivers as well - I know but the percentage of cyclists that think they rule the roads is a joke.

Shove them off.
 
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