Two explosions at Brussels airport

Yas786 · 23 Mar 2016 at 14:42

FrenchTart said:
I don't see how on earth any of those other tragedies make this any less of one.

IMHO it doesn't but for me, I find it abhorring that we pray for Paris and Belgium but not for any of those countries....oh wait it's because as one poster put it to me that we have a more closer relationship to Belgium and Paris than say turkey, Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq and Palestine.

Muslim lives don't matter as they are seen as the enemy by the west sadly. What is more sad is that thousands of innocent Muslim lives are being systematically destroyed through no fault of their own. Other than to be unfortunate to be living in those countries.

krooton · 23 Mar 2016 at 14:43

If the police are aware, but don't have the manpower to tackle these issues, why aren't they redirecting resource from other areas that arguably aren't as big a risk to the UK as a whole?

Catanonia · 23 Mar 2016 at 14:46

koolpc said:
Obviously we need to get much tougher in this country to make sure we can whittle out the extremist scumbags. People always cry out that frightening word 'racist' when others point out who these people are and how they are allowed to spread hatred against the very country that welcomed them! These people get too much 'protection' and cotton wool wrapped around them.

You see the views on here and people are too afraid to say what they really want to!

Indeed.

I am sick and tired of the racism card being used by all. Even the reporters have to be careful and not tell the truth that is was a white / asian / black person they are reporting on when it is bloody obvious by the location and name reported.

There is a thread on the board about Oldham and the OP has been witch hunted for daring to say that certain communities are living in a certain way when all you have to do is visit these places and see if for yourself. Grab the pitchforks and shout racism. Madness. All that happens is we protect and wrap those people that want to hurt us in invisible cotton wool so they can hide better.

If you asked the right questions, I bet you a massive percentage of the white population of the UK would be extreme racists according to GD.

The word racism and the banding of it is causing more hidden and secretive racism in this country because average Joe Bloggs is scared to say or do anything and this builds hatred inside them.

FrenchTart · 23 Mar 2016 at 14:46

I agree that it's sad that people pay more attention to some countries than others. It's not ideal at all.

Nate75 · 23 Mar 2016 at 14:47

Yas786 said:
IMHO it doesn't but for me, I find it abhorring that we pray for Paris and Belgium but not for any of those countries....oh wait it's because as one poster put it to me that we have a more closer relationship to Belgium and Paris than say turkey, Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq and Palestine.

Muslim lives don't matter as they are seen as the enemy by the west sadly. What is more sad is that thousands of innocent Muslim lives are being systematically destroyed through no fault of their own. Other than to be unfortunate to be living in those countries.

As mentioned it's because we have a closer connection to them.

I found my Nan's passing more upsetting than when Dave the postman's did.

Danthus · 23 Mar 2016 at 14:47

krooton said:
If the police are aware, but don't have the manpower to tackle these issues, why aren't they redirecting resource from other areas that arguably aren't as big a risk to the UK as a whole?

Which begs the question, who else were the investigating that meant they were a priority over the attackers yesterday?

b.cummins · 23 Mar 2016 at 14:48

Catanonia said:
Yup we can blame our great grandfathers and before them for the mess we are in. But where we are now is what has to be dealt with and with today's constant barrage of social media, tv appeals etc compels everyone to "do something" when probably the best thing is to "do nothing".

It would be a very big risk but it would be historical and a far cry from repeating the mistakes of old. Never has this happened in the world that we live in today.

Catanonia said:
Pull out forces, tv crews, aid agencies, close the borders, no one in or out until they can settle their own internal conflicts and issues and act like normal "modern" human beings in dialogue and the way of the world. The problem is that is never going to happen with agreement by all countries especially those with "interests" and "gains".

Take away the audience to ISIS and you have won 1/2 of the battle.

This wouldn't be half the battle, it'd pretty much be the whole war. ISIS is a more intelligent enemy than anyone gives credit for; the more we denounce, outcry and provide coverage for their actions, the more of an enemy they become, they are completely designed to operate in symbiosis with our moral and media responses to carefully orchestrated attacks with paltry resources compared to the weapons we have at our disposal.

Washout · 23 Mar 2016 at 14:55

Not to sound like a hippy but the sooner countries move to green, renewable energy sources the better the whole world will be!

Can divide human conflict up into matters of race, religion or whatever but you dig hard enough I think it all really comes down to resources.

Danthus · 23 Mar 2016 at 14:56

Washout said:
Not to sound like a hippy but the sooner countries move to green, renewable energy sources the better the whole world will be!

Can divide human conflict up into matters of race, religion or whatever but you dig hard enough I think it all really comes down to resources.

Yeah, more windmills is the answer.

Catanonia · 23 Mar 2016 at 14:58

Washout said:
Not to sound like a hippy but the sooner countries move to green, renewable energy sources the better the whole world will be!

Can divide human conflict up into matters of race, religion or whatever but you dig hard enough I think it all really comes down to resources.

Some of this may be true as your are probably referring to the Oil money. But a lot of it has to do with beliefs / religion (ISIS) and nothing to do with resources unless you are talking 4 goats for your virgin daughter and that would still be a problem as we morally don't like it and can't turn a blind eye to it.

If some villager 1000's miles away in a desert wants to treat his family as a slave, cut his daughter for godly reasons, so be it, it is nothing to do with us, but mumsnet will not allow it.

Now I am probably going to be called a racist for these comments. So be it if you want the world to bury its head in the sand as to what actually goes on in some parts of the world.

Catanonia · 23 Mar 2016 at 14:59

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Chris Wilson · 23 Mar 2016 at 14:59

It's costs a fortune watching that Assange, and we hopefully know where he is 24 hours a day, and so far he ain't tried going anywhere else, and we don't have to pretend *NOT* to be watching him

Is mass internment of suspected sympathisers the answer? Have the governments the stomach to try it? Would it be at all effective?

Chris Wilson · 23 Mar 2016 at 15:01

Washout said:
Not to sound like a hippy but the sooner countries move to green, renewable energy sources the better the whole world will be!

Can divide human conflict up into matters of race, religion or whatever but you dig hard enough I think it all really comes down to resources.

I know you tried, but you sound like a hippy....

Danthus · 23 Mar 2016 at 15:01

It would be effective in the sense that it would be a huge propaganda bonus for IS.

Skunkworks · 23 Mar 2016 at 15:01

OldCoals said:
Yeah, more windmills is the answer.

Less need for oil means less money going to SA, the main funders of Wahhabism.

Danthus · 23 Mar 2016 at 15:04

Skunkworks said:
Less need for oil means less money going to SA, the main funders of Wahhabism.

That doesn't address the root cause though.

Skunkworks · 23 Mar 2016 at 15:09

No, but it would greatly affect their ability to carry out the agenda.

Danthus · 23 Mar 2016 at 15:11

Not really, you need very little money to make explosives.

Skunkworks · 23 Mar 2016 at 15:14

Are you trying to argue that reducing their income will have no effect on their ability to wage global jihad?

ebilcake · 23 Mar 2016 at 15:14

Moses said:
I'm not asking you to 'read through all the links for isolated cases'... you asked for evidence, so I provided it. I've then given you another link and said that contains all the information you need... asking you to read a single article isn't overly onerous...

And the stats don't tell the story. If you read the Atlantic article, or just bother to read what I'm saying, you'll see that. The 7.1% is over the entire use of the lethal injection, but more recently they haven't been able to get hold of the tried and tested drugs... which has led to more botched executions recently. And you say 7.1% is okay... but that's a worse rate than the other executions, like hanging which you seem to think is barbaric...

You've posted evidence that this is happening in isolated cases, it's a relatively small percentage. When you brought this up you made it sound like it was a widespread issue which it's not.

Public Hanging is barbaric, beheading people in public with sword is barbaric, stoning people death is barbaric.

Botched lethal injections are tragic and those responsible should be held responsible, but they're not comparable.