First aid at work.

Nevakonaza

Nevakonaza

Nevakonaza

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Hey guys,

Okay a little situation at work regarding first aid.

Now quite often,There are 2 folks that start their shifts at the same time (nobody else in the building for at least 4 hours when they both start) so they're the only 2 in the building for 4 hours until more people come.

There has to be 2 people to enter the building,not one can be on their own due to safety & security.

However,Only one of them is first aid trained,and the one who isnt first aid trained refuses to go on a training course,Yet they still put them both to do the same shifts regardless.

What is the first aider collapses or has an accident?..the other person isn't trained to deal with it at all...isn't this illegal?

Who would i report this too?..management/HQ are a waste of time.
 
Are you the one with first aider training?

If you / they get on then simply tell the other one how they feel / what would they do if something was to happen and maybe they'll change their mind.

A lot of people are afraid of first aid training as they don't want the responsibility of having to respond. When it's only 2 of you they have no choice so might as well be informed.
 
MonkeyMan said:
Are you the one with first aider training?

If you / they get on then simply tell the other one how they feel / what would they do if something was to happen and maybe they'll change their mind.

A lot of people are afraid of first aid training as they don't want the responsibility of having to respond. When it's only 2 of you they have no choice so might as well be informed.
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Of course they have a choice they do exactly what most others would do and call 999.
 
MonkeyMan said:
Are you the one with first aider training?
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No i am not..

ReltonBFD said:
Why would you report someone over that? 999
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Because i feel the company is slacking on health and safety,If the one who is first aid trained collapses and dies because the ambulance didn't make it in time..

I dont get how its legal,because essentially if the first aider does collapse then there is no otehr first aider on site..surely there should always be more than first aider in the building no matter what.
 
Nevakonaza said:
No i am not..



Because i feel the company is slacking on health and safety,If the one who is first aid trained collapses and dies because the ambulance didn't make it in time..

I dont get how its legal,because essentially if the first aider does collapse then there is no otehr first aider on site..surely there should always be more than first aider in the building no matter what.
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It's not illegal, and only having one trained person in 2 is fine, have a read on the HSE website about the recommendations for first aiders.

If you had 5 workers and only one trained in first aid but they were the one who became injured or severely ill then you'd be in the same boat.
 
Legally if the risk assessment carried out decides that the risk is not high enough you don't need anyone on site who is first aid trained, there should be someone appointed to deal with first aid issues but they do not need to be first aid trained.

http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/indg214.pdf

With your reasoning lone working would be impossible.
 
You can get away with having no trained staff onsite as long as you have access to the trained MOS and have an adequate first aid kit onsite.

Was part of an MOD project I managed so I know the legalities very well and we tackled this exact issue for good few days with various legal consultations.
 
Nevakonaza said:
No i am not..



Because i feel the company is slacking on health and safety,If the one who is first aid trained collapses and dies because the ambulance didn't make it in time..
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There's no legal requirement to have a first aider present.

Solo working isn't illegal either.

I dont get how its legal,because essentially if the first aider does collapse then there is no otehr first aider on site..surely there should always be more than first aider in the building no matter what.
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999.


*Used to be a H&S rep.
 
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Yeah, lone working would be impossible in this situation :P.

To be honest, I can kind of understand where people are coming from with regards to not wanting first aid training.

Working in a school, we've got about 10 teachers first aid trained and a couple of members of support staff. Problem is, it's easier to get the support staff to look after a student than it is to drag teachers out of lessons, so it pretty much falls down to the two of them.

Means it's very hard for them to keep up with their actual day job.
 
I've got mountains of first aid training behind me from various jobs ranging from the usual cuts and burns, to advanced spinal injury stuff, to first responder at major incident stuff and to be quite honest the last thing I'd mention to any future employer unless it specifically involved work like that is that I've got that experience.
 
tom_e said:
I've got mountains of first aid training behind me from various jobs ranging from the usual cuts and burns, to advanced spinal injury stuff, to first responder at major incident stuff and to be quite honest the last thing I'd mention to any future employer unless it specifically involved work like that is that I've got that experience.
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Ditto.
 
MonkeyMan said:
Are you the one with first aider training?

If you / they get on then simply tell the other one how they feel / what would they do if something was to happen and maybe they'll change their mind.

A lot of people are afraid of first aid training as they don't want the responsibility of having to respond. When it's only 2 of you they have no choice so might as well be informed.
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Meh. With first aid at work I was more afraid of the paperwork you'd have to fill in. The general rule was ring the ambulance and make them comfortable. Then most of the rest of the day was about regulation and how to fill in forms for cut fingers and stubbed toes.

It's not a proper first aid course. I guess it does its job, just don't think too highly of it. :p

And as above, I wouldn't tell any company that I had first aid experience either.
 
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if you collapse at home on your own you have no first aider and no one to even ring 999

i imagine people work in such situations too !

they say something like over 10 people we need a first aider on site at work. and on site could still be some distance away ! some heavy machinery about too !

chriscpritchard said:
Which is for emergencies, and not minor stuff (which may still need first aid) :confused::confused:
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if its minor i imagine the first aider can either apply first aid to themselves or tell the other person what to do

there isnt a great deal a first aider can do anyway...
 
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