Neither of which are positions one gets into by being poor, deprived and uneducated.
So the point is still well made.
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Neither of which are positions one gets into by being poor, deprived and uneducated.
So the point is still well made.
For me the elephant in the room is the media.
Each time there's an attack, there's the biggest media circle-jerk that goes on for weeks and weeks, we hear of nothing else at all. As news of the attackers identities come to light, we're repeatedly shown pictures of them, who they were, what they did, who their friends were, how they were educated, the body count associated with the attack - which is often used as the headline.
It broadcasts the fact that whoever you are, wherever you came from - if you kill yourself in one of these terrorist attacks, you'll be immortalised and drenched in publicity, you'll get the biggest platform there is - you will be famous/infamous by millions, maybe even billions temporarily
I see it as a self sustaining circle of pain, for the last couple of months Sky News has been repeatedly playing archive footage of ISIS fighters marching and fighting, over and over, in-between breaks and news segments - constantly emitting a backdrop of fear and imminent danger - we're conditioned into being afraid, not by any direct or real threat against any of us, but more like a strange white noise that just makes people afraid and doesn't do much else.
When an attack occurs, the cycle is complete - the attacker gets dedicated publicity for weeks, the media ratings soar, and all the other lunatics hiding out in the woodwork somewhere, are reminded that if they participate they too will be immortalised and remembered for their cause.
It's clear to me, that banning Islam is not only impossible - it's totally stupid and only a cretin would think differently, you can't ban something that millions of people practise daily, without incident where maybe 1 out of those millions will go out and do something terrible - you can't do it, it's bloody stupid to think banning them all would help. Lets also not forget that the history of banning things we consider to be naughty, doesn't exactly have a clean sheet of success.
Drugs = banned, yet millions still use them
Paedophiles = banned, children are still abused,
Guns = banned, people are still shot
Speed limits = ignored, people get run over and killed
As crazy as it sounds I think change will start with the media, not just exclusively with Islam, the platform needs to be drastically toned down, some aspects of reporting need to be moderated or censored, the media needs to stop being the biggest propaganda distribution and recruitment tool ever created.
Each time there's an attack, there's the biggest media circle-jerk that goes on for weeks and weeks, we hear of nothing else at all. As news of the attackers identities come to light, we're repeatedly shown pictures of them, who they were, what they did, who their friends were, how they were educated, the body count associated with the attack - which is often used as the headline.
It broadcasts the fact that whoever you are, wherever you came from - if you kill yourself in one of these terrorist attacks, you'll be immortalised and drenched in publicity, you'll get the biggest platform there is - you will be famous/infamous by millions, maybe even billions temporarily
I see it as a self sustaining circle of pain, for the last couple of months Sky News has been repeatedly playing archive footage of ISIS fighters marching and fighting, over and over, in-between breaks and news segments - constantly emitting a backdrop of fear and imminent danger - we're conditioned into being afraid, not by any direct or real threat against any of us, but more like a strange white noise that just makes people afraid and doesn't do much else.
When an attack occurs, the cycle is complete - the attacker gets dedicated publicity for weeks, the media ratings soar, and all the other lunatics hiding out in the woodwork somewhere, are reminded that if they participate they too will be immortalised and remembered for their cause.
It's clear to me, that banning Islam is not only impossible - it's totally stupid and only a cretin would think differently, you can't ban something that millions of people practise daily, without incident where maybe 1 out of those millions will go out and do something terrible - you can't do it, it's bloody stupid to think banning them all would help. Lets also not forget that the history of banning things we consider to be naughty, doesn't exactly have a clean sheet of success.
Drugs = banned, yet millions still use them
Paedophiles = banned, children are still abused,
Guns = banned, people are still shot
Speed limits = ignored, people get run over and killed
As crazy as it sounds I think change will start with the media, not just exclusively with Islam, the platform needs to be drastically toned down, some aspects of reporting need to be moderated or censored, the media needs to stop being the biggest propaganda distribution and recruitment tool ever created.
The problem is rooted within Islam, though the solution isn't banning it. I do think that Muslim immigration and taking in migrants is a bad thing, I also think we should cap child benefits at 2 children. Organisations such as the Quilliam Foundation should be supported, we ought to be less afraid of causing 'offence' or criticising religion in general and stop pandering to overly sensitive groups.
I do wonder if banning the full niqab might be an idea at least in schools, airports, hospitals, courts etc.. I don't like the idea of banning clothing really but I do think we need to promote a more secular society and while we shouldn't restrict what people want to wear on private property or when walking down the street it ought to be discouraged. Frankly wearing the thing isn't a requirement of Islam and is only really done by people who follow a more conservative interpretation of it or who are forced to by others. Cameron's initiative to encourage the learning of English among female Muslim immigrants was probably a god idea though to be honest it ought to be a requirement for all.
Agreed.
People are afraid to criticise islam / muslims in this country. Its like one always gets tarred with the 'racist' brush if you did that! The government are weak. Every one i speak to thinks the same. I do personally feel as though this country is getting overrun by the muslim world and by immigration. Great Britain, as it used to be, is shrinking.
The muslims want to change the UK around to their way of thinking. Their way of living, their way of life. It is happening everywhere!
Some people are too afraid to speak out about it. It is the truth. The government should grow some balls and start taking care of this countries heritage!
The muslims want to change the UK around to their way of thinking. Their way of living, their way of life. It is happening everywhere!
Some people are too afraid to speak out about it. It is the truth. The government should grow some balls and start taking care of this countries heritage!
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So you want to ban Muslim immigration? Or all immigration? How do you check their religion at the border?
What else? Cut child benefits, ban the niqab and free religion criticism. In other words, they plant bombs, we go after innocent women and children. That'll show those terrorists... right?
More ridiculous proposals, why am I not surprised?
Ban all immigration i say. Maybe not for ever but for several years anyway.
Look, we all know that today's terrorism that is ravaging the world is coming predominantly from the 'muslim' section of society.
Yes, ban the niqab! Thats a good idea. The way things are we do not know who is hidden behind one! Look, muslims have had things banned in this country because it does not fit in with their beliefs so why cannot we get the niqab banned?
Free religion criticism is not allowed when it comes to islam! Look what happens when some have criticised islam in the media etc!
Fact is, 'THEY', the islamic extremists, plant the bombs which then kill 'innocent' women and children!!
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I've not said that - you're putting forwards a straw man there. But you seem to be more interested in just dismissing all criticism in here as 'Waaa waaaa Muslims waaaa waaa'.
Are you a muslim yourself by any chance?
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Funny to you but very real!
Why's 'banning Islam' a better solution? Don't you think that'll lead to more radicalisation?And there's a cost involved in what I say... but there's a cost involved in 'banning Islam'...
Islam, and its backward brainwashing nutures these terrorists - So banning seems like a step forward - a more positive approach than anything you have put forward.
If these people want to die for their religion, then do it on Islamic soil.
You are not allowed to practice Christianity is Saudi Arabia, for instance, as it is an Islamic country.
Their country - Their rules.
Why is banning Islam in a non Islamic county any different ?
It was a point terribly made, because no one was suggesting that only poor, deprived, and uneducated people become terrorists
Zethor has been throughout this thread.
LOL
There are roughly 3 Million Muslims in the UK, aside from whether I think your idea is stupid or not, how exactly do you go about banning a religion practised by 3 million people? Taking into account the fact that of that 3 Million roughly 99.999999% of them are not terrorists, do not agree with terrorism and won't ever hurt anyone?
In your idea, as well as describing how you'd actually enforce a ban - how would you enforce it without creating more division and hatred than already exists? (the very thing you initially set out to defeat)
You said Muslim immigration was a bad thing? Meaning what? I complained about the lack of suggested solutions, you and most of the other posters ramble on about how bad Islam is but when someone asks you what we can do about it all you can muster is either insane or ridiculous.
Yes I'm dismissing the criticism because it's blind bashing that accomplishes nothing. Muslims are going nowhere, get it through your thick skulls, they are here to stay and there are billions of them. Furthermore, their religion won't reform on your command nor will it start being practiced differently. These are solid facts no matter how much you moan, shake your fists and your pitchforks.
The solution to this problem must be precisely targetted at the jihadists. It should have an internal policy element ( this where govt programs and the Muslim community need to contribute to give more choices to marginalised young men) and it should have a foreign affairs element, which probably means a ground intervention in Syria.
So there are 3,000 terrorists living in the Muslim community?
...and if the govt tries to do anything about it then the other 2.9m+ will also turn in to terrorists.
...and all this over one religion.
Hmmmmm
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So there are 3,000 terrorists living in the Muslim community?
I think their recent estimates post Brussels, were in the region of 5k in Europe.
So that's enough for 1,600 Brussels style attacks.
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