I need your help buying a £3k diesel automatic

Hmm any petrol at this budget which will do 40mpg is going to be pretty horrible to live with - the mention of a 1.6 Astra backs that up! Remember an auto box will sap a reasonable amount of that too, especially on gutless small petrols.

OP seems quite comfortable with the associated risks of modern diesels, which is normally half the battle in posts like this.

I also think that they're not as much of a huge risk as they used to be - the risks are still present but a few years ago this sort of money would only buy one of the early first generation common rail diesels like the mk3 mondeo. Things have moved on several generations since then. I had an aforementioned mk3 mondeo quite a few years ago and had to replace the DMF/clutch and it was getting a bit smokey on cold starts when I got rid of it. More recently I ran a Saab like the one linked above which had a lot more mileage than the mondeo and it was faultless for the 30k+ miles I had it. Obviously this is anecdotal but it does seem that the technology is improving and having a few quid aside is completely sensible.

I think OP is on completely the right track although I think do think a merc is a bad idea. A Volvo would be a good shout too. Anyway, the diesely issues and what to look for

1 - injectors. Make sure you can start it from cold after it's been sat overnight if possible. A plume of smoke (white/grey fuel smoke) means an injector has dribbled into the cylinder. You'll often get rough running or EML when booting it when they're closer to death.
2 - DMF. Yes petrols have DMFs, we don't need that argument again. In diesels the low down torque is more punishing and the DMF failing isn't uncommon whereas on petrols it's rare. A rattly idle is normally the first sign, but you might get a noisy clutch release bearing (not relevant here) or difficulty starting as the swarf gets into the starter.
4 - turbo. Really not that common apart from at higher mileages. I've heard about a higher proportion of VAG 2.0 TDIs with turbos failing than others, but that might be because everyone and their dog has one. The VAG ones sound like a police siren quite often, but check for blue smoke. If you can pull a pipe off the turbo and reach the shaft then check it for play
5 - DPF/EGR. Not much you can do to check these beyond looking at the history and usage - lots of short journeys is the worst thing for these but DMF removal and EGR blanking are relatively cheap normally and can be a simple fix of preventative measure
 
Will a petrol Passat or similar do over 30mpg? Is 30 even the limit for the OP, I can't see it mentioned.

I'd imagine a Volvo would be the comfiest at this price point but they're normally quite thirsty aren't they?
 
Hmm any petrol at this budget which will do 40mpg is going to be pretty horrible to live with - the mention of a 1.6 Astra backs that up! Remember an auto box will sap a reasonable amount of that too, especially on gutless small petrols.

OP seems quite comfortable with the associated risks of modern diesels, which is normally half the battle in posts like this.

I also think that they're not as much of a huge risk as they used to be - the risks are still present but a few years ago this sort of money would only buy one of the early first generation common rail diesels like the mk3 mondeo. Things have moved on several generations since then. I had an aforementioned mk3 mondeo quite a few years ago and had to replace the DMF/clutch and it was getting a bit smokey on cold starts when I got rid of it. More recently I ran a Saab like the one linked above which had a lot more mileage than the mondeo and it was faultless for the 30k+ miles I had it. Obviously this is anecdotal but it does seem that the technology is improving and having a few quid aside is completely sensible.

I think OP is on completely the right track although I think do think a merc is a bad idea. A Volvo would be a good shout too. Anyway, the diesely issues and what to look for

1 - injectors. Make sure you can start it from cold after it's been sat overnight if possible. A plume of smoke (white/grey fuel smoke) means an injector has dribbled into the cylinder. You'll often get rough running or EML when booting it when they're closer to death.
2 - DMF. Yes petrols have DMFs, we don't need that argument again. In diesels the low down torque is more punishing and the DMF failing isn't uncommon whereas on petrols it's rare. A rattly idle is normally the first sign, but you might get a noisy clutch release bearing (not relevant here) or difficulty starting as the swarf gets into the starter.
4 - turbo. Really not that common apart from at higher mileages. I've heard about a higher proportion of VAG 2.0 TDIs with turbos failing than others, but that might be because everyone and their dog has one. The VAG ones sound like a police siren quite often, but check for blue smoke. If you can pull a pipe off the turbo and reach the shaft then check it for play
5 - DPF/EGR. Not much you can do to check these beyond looking at the history and usage - lots of short journeys is the worst thing for these but DMF removal and EGR blanking are relatively cheap normally and can be a simple fix of preventative measure

All reasonable enough there.

I wasn't going to get into the petrol has DMF debate again. I would say though, that the sort of mileage you'll be looking at, both on the car when you buy it, and the mileage you'll be doing, will most likely mean you will be doing a clutch at some point anyway, regardless of petrol or diesel. At which point, you obviously do the flywheel too. So it is only a couple hundred quid more, vs the huge economic benefit of running a diesel.

Again, I doubt you have the budget to get into a good car with a DPF. But if you do, it will likely be higher miles anyway. And with that is more chance of the car having had longer runs, so might not be as bad. DPF removal is a thing, yes, but is now against MOT guidelines, so not a clever move. I think its just a visual check though, so you may get away with just gutting it out.
 
In terms of reliability there shouldn't be any difference between a diesel turbo and a petrol turbo, surely?

RE: DPF...it is a complete non issue providing you do the right sort of driving and at 25k miles a year I imagine the OP will be. How the previous owner drove it will be a concern, I guess you just have to take their word for it/check how miles since the last service to get a rough idea of usage.
 
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In terms of reliability there shouldn't be any difference between a diesel turbo and a petrol turbo, surely?

RE: DPF...it is a complete non issue providing you do the right sort of driving and at 25k miles a year I imagine the OP will be. How the previous owner drove it will be a concern, I guess you just have to take their word for it/check how miles since the last service to get a rough idea of usage.

Why would the petrol have to be a turbo?
 
How about a Nissan Primera? In whatever engine choice you want. They're dirt cheap and pretty reliable I'd imagine, no idea how comfy they are though.
 
All reasonable enough there.

I wasn't going to get into the petrol has DMF debate again. I would say though, that the sort of mileage you'll be looking at, both on the car when you buy it, and the mileage you'll be doing, will most likely mean you will be doing a clutch at some point anyway, regardless of petrol or diesel. At which point, you obviously do the flywheel too. So it is only a couple hundred quid more, vs the huge economic benefit of running a diesel.

Again, I doubt you have the budget to get into a good car with a DPF. But if you do, it will likely be higher miles anyway. And with that is more chance of the car having had longer runs, so might not be as bad. DPF removal is a thing, yes, but is now against MOT guidelines, so not a clever move. I think its just a visual check though, so you may get away with just gutting it out.

I still think you misunderstand the DMF thing. Yes there's a chance you'll need a clutch but that varies hugely depending on the usage. My 130k Saab was still on its original clutch. The mondeo needed a DMF at 70k (IIRC) and the clutch had LOADS of life left in it. Getting to the point where it needs a new clutch and deciding to replace the flywheel as a precaution is not what we're talking about - it's having to replace the DMF and doing the clutch "just because" is the situation that catches most people out. A clutch on a car that's been sat on a motorway can last well past 150k... DMFs can fail at half that.

In terms of reliability there shouldn't be any difference between a diesel turbo and a petrol turbo, surely?

RE: DPF...it is a complete non issue providing you do the right sort of driving and at 25k miles a year I imagine the OP will be.

The turbos will be the same sort of reliability but I doubt he'd be looking at turbo petrols anyway? The thing to bear in mind is that EVERY diesel has a turbo (with a few exceptions) but relatively few petrol cars, especially at this age, have a turbo. That said, turbo failure really isn't that common. Pretty much every mk5 golf TDI I've been in with highish mileage has had a noisy turbo but I've only known one who's had to replace it
 
The turbos will be the same sort of reliability but I doubt he'd be looking at turbo petrols anyway? The thing to bear in mind is that EVERY diesel has a turbo (with a few exceptions) but relatively few petrol cars, especially at this age, have a turbo. That said, turbo failure really isn't that common. Pretty much every mk5 golf TDI I've been in with highish mileage has had a noisy turbo but I've only known one who's had to replace it

I'm fairly sure the Toyota Avensis I had as a hire car a while back didn't have a turbo. If the OP is dead set on a budget of £3k maybe a Avensis is a good shout?

If it did then lol. :o
 
I'd imagine a Volvo would be the comfiest at this price point but they're normally quite thirsty aren't they?

Not a bad shout. I bought a 57 plate S40 D5 at the start of October for £4k. Since I've had it I've averaged 41 MPG from a mix of B roads and motorway - near 70 miles daily on A and B roads and then a trip to Oxford and back every couple of weeks - and I'm not someone to happily sit at 60 on a motorway either. I've come to affectionately know it as "Armchair on wheels" :D
 
I'm fairly sure the Toyota Avensis I had as a hire car a while back didn't have a turbo. If the OP is dead set on a budget of £3k maybe a Avensis is a good shout?

If it did then lol. :o

A diesel one? Not aware of Toyota ever producing an n/a diesel

Honestly though, turbos don't just explode every 50k miles, it's probably the least likely "diesel specific" thing to go wrong
 
A diesel one? Not aware of Toyota ever producing an n/a diesel

Honestly though, turbos don't just explode every 50k miles, it's probably the least likely "diesel specific" thing to go wrong

Just had a look. So it was a turbo diesel. Certainly didn't feel like it. :o
 
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