Could you sign this petition please?

[Tefal]

Me too, has a petition ever changed the length of a conviction?
In fact have any of these e-Petitions ever done anything other than make somebody feel they 'did something'?

Media attention certainly has search "unduly lenient sentence lengthened" on google theres a lot that have happened.


Newspapers often quick to toot thier horn about hoe they got it done


But its only for sepcific crimes and the one in the OP doesnt come under it

 

[dowie]

http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/s_to_u/unduly_lenient_sentences/



https://www.gov.uk/complain-about-low-crown-court-sentence

That seems to indicate that public support can bring the case to their attention for review not that sentences are lengthened or shortened based on public outcry just that they are reexamined. Whether a sentence is actually lenient would still seem to be down to the courts and their sentencing guidelines not the popularity of that case.

If the sentence in the OP's case is in fact fairly normal for that sort of offence then a petition is a bit useless.

 

[robfosters]

Sentences don't seem too far off, to be honest. Was a dog after all.

I'll not be signing. Try to keep things tight with my support for petitions - they're already of fairly minimal impact without signing every slightly vexing issue.

So you think the sentences were acceptable because it was just a dog?

 

[cheesyboy]

So you think the sentences were acceptable because it was just a dog?

Well, yes.

I wouldn't say the same if it had been a person.

 

[SexyGreyFox]

Well, yes.

I wouldn't say the same if it had been a person.

Oooh, you are going to get flamed now.

 

[robfosters]

Well, yes.

I wouldn't say the same if it had been a person.

I think that's a horrible warped view of life. Do you not like dogs or something? Nothing deserves the treatment that poor animal got and not one day in prison is disgusting.

 

[SexyGreyFox]

Told you, those words are going to get TWISTED.
You now officially don't like dogs - fact.
I hope you like Grey Foxes?

 

[robfosters]

Told you, those words are going to get TWISTED.
You now officially don't like dogs - fact.
I hope you like Grey Foxes?

What's your view instead of just chipping in with sly comments?

 

[Freakbro]

So you think the sentences were acceptable because it was just a dog?

The point is not if you think this particular offence has been sentenced too leniently based on, as dowie said, a popularity contest on how outraged you feel, but whether it was too lenient based on the guidelines for sentencing for animal cruelty

Which checking that out here https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/offences/item/animal-cruelty/ i'm afraid to tell you the sentence wasn't too lenient.

So yes, making a petition about this one incident because the media has brought it to your attention is a little facile, you need to make a petition about the general sentencing levels....then you can get the level of punishment you want for all the cases you don't hear about and thus dont get outraged over

 

[=XDC=FluphyBunny]

Sentences don't seem too far off, to be honest. Was a dog after all.

I'll not be signing. Try to keep things tight with my support for petitions - they're already of fairly minimal impact without signing every slightly vexing issue.

Was a defenceless animal and if you think people like this stop with 'just a dog' you are sadly mistaken. Here's an example of another piece of scum who would have been, and should have been, stopped sooner Luka Magnotta.

Not one for vigilante justice but when the system fails I wouldn't lose any sleep reading about this bloke been found with his legs broken.

 

[cheesyboy]

I think that's a horrible warped view of life. Do you not like dogs or something? Nothing deserves the treatment that poor animal got and not one day in prison is disgusting.

Well, no. But lots of animals don't deserve what they get - we mostly just shrug or, worse, revel in how tasty they wound up being, or how that annoying buzzing has stopped, or how nice our lawn looks without those nasty piles of soil....

What I'm saying is, I struggle to get behind such outrage when I knowingly accept these other acts.

Frankly, it's not warped at all - it's consistent. They got a punishment, it was about halfway between that for burglary and death by dangerous driving - what more should they get for hurting a dog?

 

[SexyGreyFox]

What's your view instead of just chipping in with sly comments?

Well you totally misquoted him so apologise to him.
He hasn't disagreed with the sentencing and hasn't given any indication he doesn't like dogs but thinks if it was a person they should get longer AND I AGREE.
And I like dogs.

Personally I'd go for battering them around the head with a keyboard.

 

[robfosters]

Well you totally misquoted him so apologise to him.
He hasn't disagreed with the sentencing and hasn't given any indication he doesn't like dogs but thinks if it was a person they should get longer AND I AGREE.
And I like dogs.

Personally I'd go for battering them around the head with a keyboard.

But they didn't get anything. Not one day in prison. A suspended is no punishment at all.

 

[SexyGreyFox]

But they didn't get anything. Not one day in prison. A suspended is no punishment at all.

Then you need to start a petition to get our legal service changed for tougher sentences for all crimes.

 

[RoboCod]

But they didn't get anything. Not one day in prison. A suspended is no punishment at all.

Yeah, I have to agree. Yes it's just a dog, but the sentence should have been indicative of the suffering they caused. A human would have a chance to protect itself, a pet dog, like a child, is more or less defenseless. That level of abuse should surely have some kind of consequence, they've pretty much received no punishment other than a slap on the wrists.

I agree that the sentencing guidelines should be reconsidered.

 

[robfosters]

Then you need to start a petition to get our legal service changed for tougher sentences for all crimes.

I agree, the whole sentencing guidelines for animal abuse need reviewing. I think what they did deserves a minimum 3 years inside.

 

[MatsyLR]

Signed.
Throw them down the stairs.

 

[Freakbro]

But they didn't get anything. Not one day in prison. A suspended is no punishment at all.

But as I said, if you look at that link, even though it was suspended the length of sentence was at the upper range that could have been given, with also the guidance of

A custodial sentence must not be imposed unless the offence ‘was so serious that neither a fine alone nor a community sentence can be justified for the offence’

the clear intention of the threshold test is to reserve prison as a punishment for the most serious offences;

passing the custody threshold does not mean that a custodial sentence should be deemed inevitable; custody can still be avoided in light of offender mitigation or where there is a suitable intervention in the community which provides sufficient restriction (by way of punishment) while addressing the rehabilitation of the offender to prevent future crime.

 

[RoboCod]

Apparently this has gone viral worldwide via FB and Twitter with a bit of a vigilante man hunt going on too. People have visited his address only to find his mum and police there.

I got sent this quote too...

Let's remember this beautiful dog is the emblem of the British fighting Spirit. What this scum has done as attacked the whole of Britain.

Cringe.

 

[Devrij]

Regrettably, prison is expensive and overcrowding is a huge issue which judges need to take into account when sentencing. It's not like he was just like "nah that's not so bad, I'll just give them a deferred sentence". It is a more complex issue, and there are plenty of other cases that need this same scrutiny to display the inadequacy of our judicial system. Prison, however, is not necessarily the answer either. Look at the USA for an example of what happens when you go for harsher sentences and three strikes policies. It doesn't reduce offending, and it results on a massive prison population (and a huge slave workforce in the process).

It's just more complicated than this petition makes out. As absolutely disgusted and angry it makes me, I'm not going to sign it because it doesn't address the real issue (in fact it distracts from it).