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GDC: Async Compute What Nvidia says

bru said:
This is great, you have to love cherry picked benchmarks to prove a point.

So heres one for you, the 970 is nearly 50% faster than the 380x and the 780ti nearly 30% faster than the 290X. (Edit: yes that is meant to be the 290 non X :o)

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So yes sarcasm is indeed a wonderful thing when you can back it up and this one is even in English. :D:p:D


disclaimer: this post is not to be taken seriously, it is just to indicate that pretty much anything can be proven, with benchmarks if you want it to be.
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I didn't know WoW was a brand new DX12 game. Find a new game with that kind of lead for the 780ti then you may have a point.
 
And the benchmarks with latest drivers like the one i posted. Not drivers from two years ago.....
 
fs123 said:
I didn't know WoW was a brand new DX12 game. Find a new game with that kind of lead for the 780ti then you may have a point.
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Panos said:
And the benchmarks with latest drivers like the one i posted. Not drivers from two years ago.....
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He was being comical.

When people start throwing benchmarks about in a thread discussing what NVidia have to say about Async, it just comes across as fanboy playground talk.

This thread has more to do with something I picked up on months ago and that is NVidia having the ability on Pascal to deal with Async.
 
Gregster said:
He was being comical.

When people start throwing benchmarks about in a thread discussing what NVidia have to say about Async, it just comes across as fanboy playground talk.

This thread has more to do with something I picked up on months ago and that is NVidia having the ability on Pascal to deal with Async.
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Since Async is all about performance I would say benchmarks are perfectly valid. Nvidia is claiming that their drivers/hardware doesn't need Async to be effective so the only way to check if their claim is valid is to look at benchmarks of a game that uses Async.

If, as you say, Async works fine with Nvidia cards, then why is that the company that is renowned for jumping on any positive marketing opportunity, is still downplaying Async Compute and has not put out any statement about whether their cards support Async Compute.

Regarding the previous posts, I guess you can't think of any recent games that put the 970/780ti significantly ahead of a 290/X hence dismissing the argument as comical? ;)
 
fs123 said:
If, as you say, Async works fine with Nvidia cards, then why is that the company that is renowned for jumping on any positive marketing opportunity, is still downplaying Async Compute and has not put out any statement about whether their cards support Async Compute.
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Funny thing is that I see AMD as the company that jumps on anything through social media etc. If anything I always think Nvidia are a bit to quiet.

Now when Nvidia do want to say something(Good or Bad) that is when they seem to step it up through PR etc.
 
Stanners said:
Funny thing is that I see AMD as the company that jumps on anything through social media etc. If anything I always think Nvidia are a bit to quiet.

Now when Nvidia do want to say something(Good or Bad) that is when they seem to step it up through PR etc.
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Of course AMD do the same like any company would but AMD also has accepted stuff such as the lack of hardware support for DX12.1 optional features without putting a spin on it.

Nvidia seems to be totally trying to avoid the issue of Async Compute which sort of indicates that even the next gen Pascal may be lacking in that department. I haven't seen any slides that show that the architecture supports the feature in hardware. Maybe next week's GTC will reveal all.
 
*we don't need it cuz we're better than AMD*
Their PR spin already seems in full damage control mode, it has me in serious doubts about Pascal.

Time will tell but i feel once its launched the PR will continue in the same way "we havent enabled it in the drivers yet and we don't need it cuz we're better"
 
humbug said:
*we don't need it cuz we're better than AMD*
Their PR spin already seems in full damage control mode, it has me in serious doubts about Pascal.

Time will tell but i feel once its launched the PR will continue in the same way "we havent enabled it in the drivers yet and we don't need it cuz we're better"
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On the subject of a competitive working Async on Nv(as it currently clearly isn't competitive with AMD's solution), they are downplaying it as they did when they couldn't do DX11.

When/if Pascal has competitive Async, like they did when their DX11 hardware launched-they will shout from the rooftops and push the tech.
Stanners said:
Funny thing is that I see AMD as the company that jumps on anything through social media etc. If anything I always think Nvidia are a bit to quiet.
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Used to be, not any more, Nv social media is massive now.
 
What should be more of a worry is that if Nvidia do not have Async compute is what they will they do to make sure it is not used. This is the concern as Nvidia have shown in the past that the will act upon it not talk about it.
 
Stanners said:
What should be more of a worry is that if Nvidia do not have Async compute is what they will they do to make sure it is not used. This is the concern as Nvidia have shown in the past that the will act upon it not talk about it.
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Right, Pascal will be 10x Maxwell, looking forward to that.
 
Stanners said:
What so you do not think Nvidia will try and do all they can to not have it used by developers if they perform badly in it? I do.
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Of course they will, they already do, apparently, Codmasters i think it was who were reported on whom were asked by Nvidia not to use A-Sync.

What i was saying was Nvidia talk a lot, more than they act, just as AMD do.
 
Stanners said:
What so you do not think Nvidia will try and do all they can to not have it used by developers if they perform badly in it? I do.

Anyway time will reveal all :)
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Ohh they will but will they be aloud too. I was shocked to see AMD linked with Watchdogs 2 and then again with the Assassins Creed Vr experience. Ubisoft are Nvidia's biggest game partner. If AMD can get in the door there then the amount of AAA titles they would have under there belt would increase a lot. Farcry Primal has no Gameworks in it either so i wonder if the relationship between Nvidia and Ubisoft is starting to go sour.

Reputation wise gameworks was not doing either company much good especially after Batman.
 
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TheRealDeal said:
Ohh they will but will they be aloud too. I was shocked to see AMD linked with Watchdogs 2 and then again with the Assassins Creed Vr experience. Ubisoft are Nvidia's biggest game partner. If AMD can get in the door there then the amount of AAA titles they would have under there belt would increase a lot. Farcry Primal has no Gameworks in it either so i wonder if the relationship between Nvidia and Ubisoft is starting to go sour.
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Game Works is a good thing but not in its current state, IE what its actually doing to the playability on all GPU's, for whatever reason that may be; its utter game wrecking junk and a lot of game developers (Not least Ubi) have take a lot of PR damage for it.
No doubt Ubi were sweet talked into it with alsorts of game changing promises that turned out to be a disaster for them.
Hopefully by now any serious dev will be wise to it.

tommybhoy said:
Oxide with Ashes, Oxide threatened Nv with blowing the lid if they didn't zip it.
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Oxide have always been very outspoken on Microsoft too, we need non conformist entities like that in this business, and power houses like Samsung who aren't just going to cave in for a quiet life.
 
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