Gym advert targetting fat people is offensive

[Avenged7Fold]

Exactly.
I do know they affect metabolism and contribute to storing fat in the body instead of burning it off, which is what made her (finally!!) give up on all the fad diets and go on to something that uses normal food.

Fad, radical diets always come with large uncertainties. They normally work on the basis of a single principle, abused to achieve results. This can work incredibly well if correct conditions are met but also are far more likely to go wrong as the efficiency of the diet changes massively if the principle it is based upon is not accommodated correctly.

A normal, reasonable diet gets less 'ZOMG i lost 20 stone with this new diet!' attention but achieves much more consistent longer lasting results over a bigger sample of people (or over a sample of bigger people )

 

[Angilion]

But it equally does not mean they are lying, either, which seems to be the default response as if people are expected to produce huge medical files to back it up, or something...

Here's what you said about it:

There are medical conditions, but the vast maority of males that claim it are lying - It's an ovarian thing

So it's you who's said if someone claims they're fat because of a medical problem it means that they're lying (unless they're female or male but have ovaries).

It hasn't been the default response in this thread. It does seem almost certain that only a tiny percentage of people who are fat are fat due to medical problems, but you're the only person I've seen talk about lying so bluntly.

 

[dowie]

How come all the fat people here are all jolly and jovial, while the skinnies are the stress puppies, then?

maybe they're skinnyfat and you live in a chavvy area? (note I said 'fit and active people' that doesn't imply all skinny people) Regular exercise tends to reduce stress btw..

maybe your own personal bias and perception is way off tangent... BigDannyO has already demonstrated that you're way off base with your 500 calories argument above

fact is people who exercise regularly do tend to be happier, this isn't just an anecdote or personal perception but based in evidence too

list of relevant studies here:

http://www.pursuit-of-happiness.org/science-of-happiness/exercise/exercise-and-happiness-reviews/

 

[413x]

I can tell you one thing, exercise was the best thing for my mental issues

Not only the boost from endorphins etc but also confidence boost from the shallow physical side improvements

When you say "skinny does not equal happy" you probably are right.
Because skinny doesn't equal healthy

 

[ttaskmaster]

This can work incredibly well if correct conditions are met but also are far more likely to go wrong as the efficiency of the diet changes massively if the principle it is based upon is not accommodated correctly.

Well, I dunno what she wasn't accomodating - Her doctors recommended the fad one, based on 30 years of success (does that mean it's not a fad any more?), along with other people she knew who'd found it worked.

(or over a sample of bigger people )

So it's you who's said if someone claims they're fat because of a medical problem it means that they're lying (unless they're female or male but have ovaries).

No, I said the vast majority of males who claim it are lying, since women tend to have more susceptibility to conditions and medications that contribute toward making them fat.

It hasn't been the default response in this thread.

The general response has basically been that it's '100% to do with eating too much and being lazy, nothing else'.

It does seem almost certain that only a tiny percentage of people who are fat are fat due to medical problems, but you're the only person I've seen talk about lying so bluntly.

I've had discussions like this at length before and with numerous medical professionals.

maybe they're skinnyfat and you live in a chavvy area? (note I said 'fit and active people' that doesn't imply all skinny people) Regular exercise tends to reduce stress btw..

I actually live in a pricey area (got a good deal on the rent) where rich people get fat on rich food... which is probably why they're so happy.
Skinny rather than fat - This is GD, after all. But as far as regular exercise goes, in our office it is indeed those who go to our gym or out running at lunchtimes and so on that are always so stressy. Do they need to run more, you think?

maybe your own personal bias and perception is way off tangent...

Maybe the reason fat people are more miserable is simply because the skinnies are always having a go at them?

BigDannyO has already demonstrated that you're way off base with your 500 calories argument above

We discussed the theory. The reality doesn't match up and far more qualified people than me still couldn't sort it, so that's that one...

list of relevant studies here:

If you say so...

 

[Ryan-3]

I can tell you one thing, exercise was the best thing for my mental issues

Not only the boost from endorphins etc but also confidence boost from the shallow physical side improvements

When you say "skinny does not equal happy" you probably are right.
Because skinny doesn't equal healthy

This 1000x

I feel far better since starting, both physically and mentally. I get a real kick out of pushing myself and feel much more confident now.

Ad campaigns like this one and those about being skinny = happy do more damage than good.

 

[RetiredGreyFox]

anecdotal telling's of what some guy possibly used to eat 26 years ago....

26 years ago, where did you get that from?
I first met him in 1976 but then started to work with him in 1980 for the next 27 years up until 2007.
I daily saw what he ate & drink for most of that 27 years and so did everybody else who worked with him.

G
I used to be that anybody...

Well several people on here will call you a liar.

 

[BigDannyO]

We discussed the theory. The reality doesn't match up and far more qualified people than me still couldn't sort it, so that's that one...

The reality is either that your Mrs was consuming more than 500 calories a day, or that she's some sort of medical mystery where 1000 calories a day has appeared out of nowhere. What seems more likely?

 

[Angilion]

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No, I said the vast majority of males who claim it are lying, since women tend to have more susceptibility to conditions and medications that contribute toward making them fat.

I quoted what you wrote and that wasn't it.

If anyone care about what ttaskmaster wrote, please click back along the chain of replies and read it.

 

[Tefal]

I think this last page can be summed up as "Shock as overweight people under-report their food intake".

as has frequently been found.

 

[Angilion]

The reality is either that your Mrs was consuming more than 500 calories a day, or that she's some sort of medical mystery where 1000 calories a day has appeared out of nowhere. What seems more likely?

There are two other possibilities, but I'd be unwilling to bet money on them:

i) She's not human and the species she's from uses food and drink far more efficiently than humans.

ii) She is human, but she has evolved a far more efficient way of using food and drink.

If she really does thrive on 500 calories a day, she should volunteer to be extensively studied because she could hold the key to saving the lives of many people and improving the quality of life of many more.

 

[Freefaller]

Hmm...you're unusually big and you only eat leafy veg...are you Flemish?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flemish_Giant

Haha! That made me chuckle.

 

[hurfdurf]

The reality is either that your Mrs was consuming more than 500 calories a day, or that she's some sort of medical mystery where 1000 calories a day has appeared out of nowhere. What seems more likely?

Indeed. Fat people often eat in secret, there is a whole show dedicated to it. They either intentionally or subconsciously lie about their eating habits. Never trust a fat person telling you about their diet.

 

[dowie]

But as far as regular exercise goes, in our office it is indeed those who go to our gym or out running at lunchtimes and so on that are always so stressy. Do they need to run more, you think?

fit and active people tend to be happier, if you want to dismiss actual evidence and rely on personal bias/perception then that is your call but it is dumb and you've got no argument on that basis

sure some individual or a few individuals that you know and happen to exercise could well be stressed but we're not talking about specific people you know rather we're talking about people in general

We discussed the theory. The reality doesn't match up and far more qualified people than me still couldn't sort it, so that's that one...

no it was just a nonsense anecdote that doesn't stand up to basic science as BigDannyO has already highlighted regardless of whatever claims you're trying to make of random third party experts(which could just as easily be misunderstanding on your part)

If you say so...

I didn't write the studies

 

[G-MAN2004]

Indeed. Fat people often eat in secret, there is a whole show dedicated to it. They either intentionally or subconsciously lie about their eating habits. Never trust a fat person telling you about their diet.

Yep, Secret Eaters on Channel 4, and it happens every single time. They'll swear on their children's lives that they don't eat much, and then the presenter reveals they've eaten more in a week than an average family of four. So much denial, it's unreal.

 

[RetiredGreyFox]

Yep, Secret Eaters on Channel 4, and it happens every single time. They'll swear on their children's lives that they don't eat much, and then the presenter reveals they've eaten more in a week than an average family of four. So much denial, it's unreal.

It's a show for entertainment like Jeremy Kyle.

 

[malachi]

It's a show for entertainment like Jeremy Kyle.

But it shows the truth and peoples bad eating habits.

Showed the program to my best mate once, who eats and drinks a lot of junk. What did he do?!?!?! Asked me to change the channel because he found it uncomfortable.

 

[RetiredGreyFox]

But it shows the truth and peoples bad eating habits.

Like Jeremy Kyle

 

[Freefaller]

The fact is people either eat more than they realise, whether consciously or not, or don't realise how much they are eating. . Just as people who are trying to bulk say they eat like a horse but actually don't eat much at all.

The fact is also, fast and slow metabolisms don't exist unless you have a condition which does affect your metabolism. Now, the more lean muscle mass you have the more calories you will burn naturally as a result. A person of the same weight but half muscle mass will not be burning as many calories.

As usual Weight has only a small factor in all of this. This is all fairly basic biology, and the fact is 500 calories for months is not sustainable without serious implications. Certainly not if the person is being active.

 

[fez]

500 calories is nowhere near enough to function on let alone exercise on. There is simply no way that is possible. Medical professionals don't usually call their patients liars either so regardless of what they are thinking when you tell them that 500 calories isn't leading to any fat loss they will try and give you alternatives or explain it away without saying "thats impossible".

If you ever watch that secret eaters they sometimes underestimate their calorific intake bu 2000/day. Its ridiculous how capable people are of lying to themselves about every aspect of their lives, not just eating.