Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (April Poll)

[Mulder]

Better than your animal farm.

Haha!

 

[Zethor]

A company will chase profit regardless of its CEO, what's your point? The EU has its own Department for Enlargement, are you disputing that inherent in its ideology is a desire to expand?

What's being paranoid got to do with anything?

The tide of paranoid angry populism that is sweeping across the Western world is the biggest danger we have faced since the fall of Communism. You people are unsatisfied or frustrated and instead of being constructive and looking for alternatives, you just want to wreck things.

In Britain, you want to exit the EU without a concrete plan on what we can do afterwards. NEVER MIND THE DETAILS just jump and then we will handle it! Despite warning after warning from economists, scientists and politicians you people zealously believe Brexit will solve all sorts of problems. As long as those Eastern Europeans and those eurocrats are blocked, all will be well.

In the US, you want to put a buffoon in charge who promises to turn the world upside down but offers no concrete plan on how to do it. NEVER MIND THE DETAILS just jump and then we will handle it! As long as those Mexicans and those Muslims are blocked, all will be well.

This madness is the b@stard child of the financial crisis and paranoia so yes, it has everything to do with it.

 

[Outcast]

Yup..

It'll all come out in the wash !!

 

[dekez]

In Britain, you want to exit the EU without a concrete plan on what we can do afterwards. NEVER MIND THE DETAILS just jump and then we will handle it! Despite warning after warning from economists, scientists and politicians you people zealously believe Brexit will solve all sorts of problems. As long as those Eastern Europeans and those eurocrats are blocked, all will be well.

My thoughts exactly.

 

[Mulder]

The tide of paranoid angry populism that is sweeping across the Western world is the biggest danger we have faced since the fall of Communism. You people are unsatisfied or frustrated and instead of being constructive and looking for alternatives, you just want to wreck things.

In Britain, you want to exit the EU without a concrete plan on what we can do afterwards. NEVER MIND THE DETAILS just jump and then we will handle it! Despite warning after warning from economists, scientists and politicians you people zealously believe Brexit will solve all sorts of problems. As long as those Eastern Europeans and those eurocrats are blocked, all will be well.

In the US, you want to put a buffoon in charge who promises to turn the world upside down but offers no concrete plan on how to do it. NEVER MIND THE DETAILS just jump and then we will handle it! As long as those Mexicans and those Muslims are blocked, all will be well.

This madness is the b@stard child of the financial crisis and paranoia so yes, it has everything to do with it.

So you're saying anyone who supports leaving also supports Trump? Now that is not only paranoid but also a blatant smear. Get over yourself.

 

[itchy]

In crowd = The end of the world if we leave.
Out crowd = Let the wind blow our sail.

I like chance and choice.

Better than doom and gloom!

 

[Zethor]

So you're saying anyone who supports leaving also supports Trump? Now that is not only paranoid but also a blatant smear. Get over yourself.

I'm saying both groups are symptoms of the same disease.

 

[Mulder]

I'm saying both groups are symptoms of the same disease.

Wow, so we all have a disease. What's that then? Anti-establishmentises?

 

[Zethor]

Wow, so we all have a disease. What's that then? Anti-establishmentises?

A metaphor, yes you do have it and I explained what it is.

 

[Tefal]

The tide of paranoid angry populism that is sweeping across the Western world is the biggest danger we have faced since the fall of Communism. You people are unsatisfied or frustrated and instead of being constructive and looking for alternatives, you just want to wreck things.

In Britain, you want to exit the EU without a concrete plan on what we can do afterwards. NEVER MIND THE DETAILS just jump and then we will handle it! Despite warning after warning from economists, scientists and politicians you people zealously believe Brexit will solve all sorts of problems. As long as those Eastern Europeans and those eurocrats are blocked, all will be well.

In the US, you want to put a buffoon in charge who promises to turn the world upside down but offers no concrete plan on how to do it. NEVER MIND THE DETAILS just jump and then we will handle it! As long as those Mexicans and those Muslims are blocked, all will be well.

This madness is the b@stard child of the financial crisis and paranoia so yes, it has everything to do with it.

But theres no concrete plan for anything.

Personally id say you attitude is a symptom of the nany state mentality.

You expect some big government parent figure to have everything worked out so theres no risk or surprises.

But im sorry to tell you there is no such thing as a concrete plan for anything.

Including staying in the EU no one can predict what will happen there especialy with the incredibly unstable situation at the moment

 

[Mulder]

A metaphor, yes you do have it and I explained what it is.

So presumably a disease of "paranoid angry populism" as you put it. Maybe you'd do better to research why a lot of people are feeling that way, rather than just saying "NO CHANGE ITS SCARY".

 

[Speirs]

Out!!
I'm not going into it but from what I see on a daily basis then I want out!!
I love this country but it saddens me how it is going down the f'ing S bend!!
All you kb warriors who sit behind your desks etc and comment on how this that and the other without actually being and seeing grass roots should actually go and see people with no money who want to work but can't because his European cousin will work for less than they will because they can afford to due to the fact that they live in a house of multiple occupation.
If the shoe was on the other foot......
1 million Brits were to go and take jobs in Poland etc etc......
I dare say that there would be a few negative comments etc from their population \ government.

 

[Efour]

Maybe these people should copy their European cousins?

 

[Speirs]

Maybe these people should copy their European cousins?

The one where you are getting it up your Schengen
Just Kidding........

 

[regulus]

The tide of paranoid angry populism that is sweeping across the Western world is the biggest danger we have faced since the fall of Communism. You people are unsatisfied or frustrated and instead of being constructive and looking for alternatives, you just want to wreck things.

In Britain, you want to exit the EU without a concrete plan on what we can do afterwards. NEVER MIND THE DETAILS just jump and then we will handle it! Despite warning after warning from economists, scientists and politicians you people zealously believe Brexit will solve all sorts of problems. As long as those Eastern Europeans and those eurocrats are blocked, all will be well.

In the US, you want to put a buffoon in charge who promises to turn the world upside down but offers no concrete plan on how to do it. NEVER MIND THE DETAILS just jump and then we will handle it! As long as those Mexicans and those Muslims are blocked, all will be well.

This madness is the b@stard child of the financial crisis and paranoia so yes, it has everything to do with it.

Calm down dear.

Nobody is leaving the EU because nobody will be allowed to leave the EU.

I can literally bet my account, my bank account, my life on the fact that Britain won't leave the EU.

Haha, you really think dumb people more caught up with what's going on on X Factor and the footie will be allowed to make a decision like this?

Literally nothing will happen come election time. The vote to stay will win and that will be it.

 

[Insanties_birth]

Oh I see.. The EU has a mysterious, expansionist mind of its own which functions based on a certain ideology and it has specific goals. The people in the Council or the Parliament don't matter, this magical mind controls them all.

That or the evolution of the EU has been the result of a general consensus among its members. Which is more likely?

Disregard the paranoia for one minute and find out where logic and facts lead you.

Is this dumb or just a way to conflate confusion? Let's be honest, the UK government had the Iraq war with Blair and ExxonMobil discussing oil stealing in the back rooms and based on lies and misinformation but it reached general consensus regardless. Misinformation is all it takes bribes is all it takes and in some cases ideology is all it takes. If they're repeatedly swallowing EU propaganda and craze at the rate of some of these forum goers then it's easy to see how they'd feel the EU never really does any wrong either. No pitch forks no shadows of evil but just real world cynicism of political classes which has proven (in every country) to be worthwhile as no country has escaped political corruption.

You say disregard paranoia but it's not paranoia to see the EU wants turkey to join, that it is increasingly taking away sovereignty, that it tries to move harass individual countries to move to there tune (whether it be forcing shared migration that Germany accepted and we never did or pushing on policies that simply should not have control on). There's no mirrors there, just facts and questions as to how far they intend to go, some people choose to close there eyes and praise the EU and others do what they always should with any government (including our own) and question there intentions. We've seen scandals aplenty from governments so the idea that a little cynicism on those that increasingly try and steal powers away for no apparent reason is wrong only implies how naive some people are. Even if we did write to them we'd just get a nicely worded PR piece just like they did with the migrant crisis they are dealing with illegally and slammed by UN but sent out a little PR statement. Did it help?

 

[Insanties_birth]

Double post, stupid phone.

 

[Insanties_birth]

In Britain, you want to exit the EU without a concrete plan on what we can do afterwards. NEVER MIND THE DETAILS just jump and then we will handle it! Despite warning after warning from economists, scientists and politicians you people zealously believe Brexit will solve all sorts of problems. As long as those Eastern Europeans and those eurocrats are blocked, all will be well..

Nice little rant but it ignored the reality of the world a little. We don't have to know (will come back to that later) how it'll work out because we do know it will. No one is saying it will be better financially as it probably will be a little worse off initially but it is actually reassuring that the quite a few businesses and trade unions have backed both sides of the argument so yeah it's obvious research sounds like we'd need to reinvest in it OURSELVES but people seem to ignore that 2 year break off period when it comes to this. We would have plenty of time to work out which research we need to keep and for them to have time to raise these issues to our government. It's not like a game of jenga where it all just collapses instantly on a bad move.

Not to mention (and coming back to) your repeated stupid notion that somehow because we don't know how the deals will look ahead of time (sorry, spent my clairvoyance wishes trying to guess the lotto numbers) doesn't mean they won't be made. Obviously not everyone on the computer forums are political and economic experts that can give you a trade deal analysis before it happens with mystical precognition but the obvious point is that we have the political classes to make these deals for us anyway. Like every other country outside the EU and like we did before there is propensity for trade and deals regardless and Britain is actually in a unique position where we have a lot of common wealth allies that have a history and respect for us that could help shore it up a little. I'm not proclaiming miracles but we're a somewhat influential and wealthy country, the idea that we'd just drop off the map or fall into the deep dark unknown of Cameron and pro EU imaginative folklore (like a black hole specifically reserved for blasphemous EU exiters) is completely a joke. We have 2 years and they'd extend that if needed, we will be under EU rule for a while even if we voted out but like every other country out there we will somehow survive and trade (somehow!). We can't predict deals before they happen but it's obvious we will negotiate and get trade, maybe a tariff fee here and there but would that really be enough to destroy Britain? Stop scaremongering.

 

[StriderX]

I'm voting out because i couldn't give a **** either way, but it's more fun to be the anti-establishment voter, you get a buzz...wonder if i should drink prior as well.

 

[Insanties_birth]

If I hear one more person say sovereignty doesn't matter then I'll vote out too lol. People that deny it's worth just have such shallow perspectives on the role it plays in controlling and influencing the way our government and country is shaped over centuries decades. Short term idealism and pro EU sentiment should not be a long term move to entering a politically convoluted (harder for your local citizen to get movement in the eu than in its own country) and enforced surrendering of so many areas of decision making and controls.

Even simple things like how much we tax alcohol no cigs which were fantastic ways of trying to reduce these things, helps to NHS and generate added tax for us was pushed out by the EU. So pro health tax which generates better funds for our country is not our own decision to make now... thanks EU. They always ask for examples but that one plus the lower level of checks on health and dentistry workers from EU along with health migration when people come over to abuse NHS and we're forced to give them access or the benefits issues we've seen where Cameron wasn't allowed to stop the Romanian gravy train etc. Our welfare systems are known he grips of the EU, our laws increasingly our, our migration controls etc. There's plenty of bad with the EU that some refuse to acknowledge so if they keep rattling on that sovereignty means nothing then they effectively ignore any issue with the EU and that is is harder to get them to reverse these stupid ideas than it is our own government.

One other issue with the EU is that it clearly comes to a stand still every time something big happens, migration crisis and brexit highlight how they've struggled to carry in making decisions and other countries would struggle to get time with the the EU to solve issues because it's by nature too large to handle several issues well at once. Things just get put on hold which highlights the slow paced and poor way that having 20 or so countries have to meet up and vote on every little issue creates. I'll try stop my multi posting now but let's be honest, the forums are just getting some people who are so pro EU that they're jumping to that end of the scale just in order to justify there approach irrationally and ignoring any issue. Same could be said for the other side too but the division is all sentimental so let's all calm down, recognise the issue with devaluing things like sovereignty or the financial impact of leaving etc and stick to the real arguments without ignoring the other sides views. To get back to that point, we could give up sovereignty to a better system but a one glove fits all for 27 countries voting out of self interest and get lumped with it approach is simply not a better system.