Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (April Poll)

[Burnsy2023]

First thread here: https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18715436
March thread here: https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18720784

 

[Burnsy2023]

Still undecided option is simply not voting.

Indeed, undecided won't be an option on the ballot paper which the poll reflects word for word.

 

[Burnsy2023]

Will wait and see what The Sun recommends on the day like the rest of country.

I do hope I'm not seeing the intended sarcasm in that post.

 

[Burnsy2023]

The key point being we can regularly vote to get rid of the UK government if we don't like what they are doing.

What, like how Scotland clearly loves the Conservatives and their policies? They voted to get rid of the last administration by the almost blanket SNP representation in Scotland, yet still nothing changes, indeed the Conservative have a parliamentary majority.

Democracy, especially when using FPTP doesn't do what you're suggesting.

 

[Burnsy2023]

Not surprising considering we get so shafted in the European Parliament.

Number of UK inhabitants per UK MEP: 839,194
Number of Bulgarian inhabitants per Bulgarian MEP: 454,059
Number of Luxembourg inhabitants per Lux MEP: 76,667

Only Spain and France are more under-represented than we are

Yet France, along with Germany are the two defining powers in Europe. Why? Because they engage with the EU and it's processes.

 

[Burnsy2023]

France and Germany probably don't care about being under represented in terms of MEP's because let's face it, they pretty much run the EU. We are not in the same position.

And we never will be standing on the sidelines complaining like a spoilt child all the time. France can and does have a powerful voice in Europe without having huge numbers of MEPs, so saying we're under represented doesn't have the consequences people assume.

50% of the population up here didn't vote for the SNP. They are not as well liked as it looks.

My point is that saying that only having laws written by parliament doesn't mean that we can just vote out any government that is a bit unpopular. The system and process doesn't allow for it.

 

[Burnsy2023]

Even on the European Council, the Prime Minster of the UK's vote is worth exactly the same as the head of Bulgaria.

Are you suggesting it should be different? T

 

[Burnsy2023]

I personally think it should be contribution based. We pay a huge amount more than Bulgaria so why shouldn't we have a greater say?

At the moment we have approx. 10% voting power, which diminishes the more new members join the EU. When Turkey joins in xx years, they'll have more voting power than the UK despite not contributing anything since the inception of the EU.

So you're saying we should be able to buy power in the EU?

You're damn right it should be different. The bigger, more powerful a country is the greater say it should have in the running of the EU - I'm not talking about the sneaky way France gains influence, but rather in open, transparent, democratic terms.

So what metrics should that be based on?

 

[Burnsy2023]

Ok, this is my only warning before the ban hammer comes out. Stop the petty bickering and insults. If you can't debate this in an adult manner then the thread will be locked.

 

[Burnsy2023]

Its not quite as clear as that. I've seen analysis from a number of banks which suggest that Brexit would damage the Euro significantly more than the Pound. In which case, money would leave for safer markets, the pound being one. So its quite possible that in the weeks to months after the referendum, the UK will be seen as a safe haven for European investment.

If the Euro gets hit, then that has direct impacts on the UK. I doubt many would see the UK as a safe haven with all the uncertainty over the agreements to leave.

 

[Burnsy2023]

This would be shocking if true, have you got a source.

If it were true (and I'm not sure it is), I imagine that would also apply to British citizens too and is an issue with the policy in general and not immigration.

 

[Burnsy2023]

Yes but you forget that British kids have pure blood.

Sorry, have we dropped into a Twilight novel or something?

 

[Burnsy2023]

No, this is what quite a few people, particularly Brexiteers, actually think.

Maybe they like Twilight? Might explain a few things

 

[Burnsy2023]

The opt out doesn't cover all of the stuff in the Working Time Directive. Nowhere near...

The opt out only covers the 40 hour week IIRC.

 

[Burnsy2023]

And you believe the Germans and other EU member countries will leave them stateless? They'll be naturalised, nothing more certain.

Why would they be stateless? Syria and other nations aren't revoking their birth nationality.

 

[Burnsy2023]

If Turkey became a member of the EU they could arbitrarily decide that naturalisation was done in one year, hand out EU citizenship to people we'd hoped were not coming back and then sit back and laugh their socks off.

Why would Turkey want an explosion in Turkish nationals?

 

[Burnsy2023]

Yet 'Project Fear' is in fact a tool being deployed by the pro-brexit side as a way to dismiss any facts, figures or opinions that contradict the Brexit argument.

The problem is that most facts or figures of the impact of the Brexit - from either side - have the accuracy of a finger in the air. They're easily dismisses by the opposition because there is no certainty over what happens if we did look to leave. I think that needs to be recognised.

That's one of the only real facts to be relied on here.

There is a bit more certainty over what the economy would look like if it stayed the same though.

 

[Burnsy2023]

Still a no vote. I'm not keen on what's happening to the Nordic states with immigration issues or Germany's level of influx. I'm honestly not sure infrasture is there and if we don't really gain control back, which I don't see us doing inside the EU, that it could potentially be a huge problem in the next couple of years.

Note - I am not anti immigration at all. In fact I think we should be relatively open where we can support it.

What's happening in the Nordic states and Germany isn't affecting us here, now, in the EU. What control have we lost?