Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (April Poll)

Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

  • Remain a member of the European Union

    Votes: 452 45.0%
  • Leave the European Union

    Votes: 553 55.0%

  • Total voters
    1,005
  • Poll closed .
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I was replying to someone who was using them as examples of countries with deals who haven't given up sovereignty... but they have, and have to under the deals he referred to, so what I said is fair.

Also, I said if countries don't want to do that they can trade like the other countries that are outside of the free market... with tariffs. I gave the alternative which exists now.

Fair enough but my second question still remains, why aren't Norway or Switzerland pushing to become full members if having to abide by a couple of EU rules whilst not having a place around the table is so bad as implied by inners who make this point?
 
Why do they choose to stay out despite "having" to abide by a handful of agreements? Doesn't it suggest they feel being out of the EU is still better than being in overall?

Yes but many of the things they conceded are things the Brexiters are convinced we need out of.

No border controls between Austria and Switzerland, for example. Free movement between Germany and Norway..

Isn't opposition to things like this the main reason behind the Brexit?

What's the point in voting Out to rid the country of immigrants and EU laws if we subsequently then enter a trade agreement a-la Norway which makes us liable to follow many EU laws and allow... free movement?! What have we achieved?
 
Considering we lose a lot from the fee's to be in the EU, the lack of control we get over our own laws, the health tourism, the welfare system the EU wants to let romanians and others abuse, the freedom of movement that lets any low rent worker in etc. then I think the economic argument wouldn't be as strong as it's made out to be if you factored it all in. Add in the forced migration of refugees germany accepted (it'll happen eventually) and the expansion into allowing turkey in and we'll see a lot more people wanting to jump into our country too.

We could always form a common wealth union that wouldn't want to tie us down to crap like romania, turkey and open borders too :p Also if you expect people to concede an economic argument then you have to be smart enough to concede points against the EU too like the expansionism and lack of sovereignity under it. You might not particularly value that point personally but it doesn't change it's impact just like raising the minimum wage would have no benefit for someone paid more but would still be of benefit to many, you seem to undervalue having control in your own court. Most countries are better served being able to use policy that matches there own needs in both value, speed and effect along with adding any concessions for country specific reasons. The EU just is a one glove fits all policy, do you think most companies would survive if they had to negotiate, concede ground and manage a business based on general vote with 28 other businesses? It'd cause issues to say the least, they should be using smart management to move around and make changes they need but the EU is the opposite of that approach so the economic hindrances it places. I doubt there's huge issues with how it's all implemented but even just a few uncompetitive and hindering regulations would add up for an entire economy that should be making it's own decisions rather than being forced along with general stuff.

I don't have the time or patience to discuss all the problems with your post.

However one thing needs pointing out when Boris said between 15-50% of laws come from the EU he was wrong in fact due to one of the founding principles of the EU is the subsidiarity clause which states that if it's not in the EU interest then the EU leaves it to nation states. Which means that only 13% of EU directives are part of UK law.

The reason you have a lot of migrants is that you pay a lot of money to unemployed constantly pregnant scroungers. Deal with that at UK level and the migrant scroungers will disappear.
 
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Il definitely vote out,Our country is going down the pan to be honest..more and more immigrants,We dont have the room for them,Our own people cant get jobs or affordable housing as it is!

Sadly,We know no matter how everyone votes,The votes will be rigged anyway...they make it seem like we have choice,We dont.
 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...prepare-to-sink-5million-into-brexit-campaig/

People are ****ed off and I have had 2 deliveries of the drivel that retard Cameron is spouting. All tucked up in a Iceland promotion leaflet. :rolleyes:

The in voters are retards (as in retarded approach to the issue no disrespect to intelligence as I know most of you have a clue but seem jaded and, I dunno fogged, cucked, Stockholm syndrome type thing.) and do not see past their mobile phones or facebook.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...warns-billionaire-financier-George-Soros.html

If that **** is in on it you know its bad, bad news.

People need to wake up.

In the real world in which I live its getting bad and nasty, we need control not just borders, just control in general as its getting ridiculous.

We need to break free, it might sting for a little while just like breaking up from a relationship, but in the end you find your feet and move on.

We need to move on period.

Lets GTFO!

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Even the worst news site ever is now seeing the consequences of the EU.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36029703

But everyone is asleep.
 
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I have the feeling that the good idea of the EU got ruined in the implimentation.


I think if we leave there will be either quickly or slowly a domino effect and the eu will wind down either to a close or insignificance.

At which point we can in future maybe try towards and EU 2.0 but maybe not based on an archaic geographical proximity but more and economic similarity

Canida/australia/nz/france/germany etc.

Be a few decades away but its better than limping along with the current status quo for a few more decades till it finally falls apart through other causes
 
I didn't get past the first comment.

I never read the comments on that site as it's like youtube but this chap's feelings are pretty much a reinforcement of how the EU elite are perceived by many

Here's his article:
https://www.euractiv.com/section/global-europe/opinion/why-we-should-ban-referenda-on-eu-policies/

While I see the point about blocking by one state, that just says to me that one size fits all ideas are ridiculous across so many different countries. Meh.
 
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I don't have the time or patience to discuss all the problems with your post.

However one thing needs pointing out when Boris said between 15-50% of laws come from the EU he was wrong in fact due to one of the founding principles of the EU is the subsidiarity clause which states that if it's not in the EU interest then the EU leaves it to nation states. Which means that only 13% of EU directives are part of UK law.

The reason you have a lot of migrants is that you pay a lot of money to unemployed constantly pregnant scroungers. Deal with that at UK level and the migrant scroungers will disappear.
That's fine, the guy had long list of questions so I had a long list of replies. Can't be helped but it's your inclination which parts you pick and choose to engage.

I agree there probably isn't near 50% of our laws tied in but the problem is we wouldn't have half the conservative government (the people who have been in power for the last 8 years) wanting to leave if the EU was a minor bit of tinkering around the edges followed by massive gains of trade. It seems there's still problems in how we are treat and how much the EU interferes because I'm not as easily inclined as some on the board to randomly assume that many people had such bad judgement on the issue and falsely believed the EU was so evil (in spite of having first hand experience for close to 8 years of being very closely tied to the EU so having a very clear picture that is as close and knowledgeable as it gets).

I agree, I'd like to get rid of both issues to be honest. We shouldn't be paying money to local or foreign scroungers / criminals. Like has been said, we over all net benefit from EU migration so I'm not generalising but the point stands that we'd get EU migration regardless of being in the EU with the only problem being the EU dictates we have to let any dross in. That's a negative rather than a positive to speak of on there side.
 
Anyone see Nick Robinson's programme on BBC 2 last night about the history of Britain and the EU/EEC etc? Only caught the first half but the arrogance of De Gaulle's French government when he said "non" to Macmillan was staggering. Hugh Gaitskell's speech was quite prophetic though.

Hugh Gaitsekll said:
(Britain's participation in a Federal Europe would mean) the end of Britain as an independent European state, the end of a thousand years of history! You may say, all right! Let it end! But, my goodness, it's a decision that needs a little care and thought.

More true now than it ever was.
 
For anyone who doesn't like the government EU mailer, or just wants to annoy the Tories a bit, a freepost address to return it to:

Joanna George, Freepost RSBB-XRZT-ZTXE, The Conservative Party Foundation, 30 Millbank, London SW1P 4DP
 
For anyone who doesn't like the government EU mailer, or just wants to annoy the Tories a bit, a freepost address to return it to:

Joanna George, Freepost RSBB-XRZT-ZTXE, The Conservative Party Foundation, 30 Millbank, London SW1P 4DP

Or just stick it in the bin.

But that's too sensible right?
 
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Or just stick it in the bin.

But that's too sensible right?

Hope you meant the recycling bin, because the EU are will fine us if we don't hit their recycling target.
 
At which point we can in future maybe try towards and EU 2.0 but maybe not based on an archaic geographical proximity but more and economic similarity

(And Cultural-My Add)

Canada/Australia/NZ/France/Germany etc.

leave out France/Germany and what have you got?

Old Commonwealth!

I might be able to live with that!:p
 
I have the feeling that the good idea of the EU got ruined in the implimentation.


I think if we leave there will be either quickly or slowly a domino effect and the eu will wind down either to a close or insignificance.

At which point we can in future maybe try towards and EU 2.0 but maybe not based on an archaic geographical proximity but more and economic similarity

I always thought it was fundamentally a good idea between countries with similar economies and interests (minus the federalism) but the expansionist agenda has knocked it all off balance and turned it into a wealth redistribution scheme. Greece has proven that not enough due diligence is in place and it seems like a race to include as many as possible regardless. I'm sure Turkey can be "accommodated" somehow.

The idea of including Ukraine and peeing off Putin scares me almost as much as an EU border with Syria.
 
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