Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (April Poll)

[[TW]Fox]

You two are missing the point that someone will no doubt make as a counter to this logic that Britain will be able to negotiate whatever trade deal it wants because UKgoddamnitwhywouldntwestopscaremongering.

And the counter to this would be 'Wow, you mean like the trade deal that literally no other country on the planet has managed to negotiate'?

We are not going to get tariff free no hassle trade without EU caveats. EU caveats that Norway and Switzerland were happy to accept, therefore have tariff free no hassle trade. EU caveats that are unacceptable to countries like Canada who therefore do not have tariff free no hassle trade.

 

[[TW]Fox]

Cameron has just now once again said we totally control our own borders.
What a liar he is.

Well we do control our borders - anyone entering the UK, unless doing so from the Republic of Ireland with whom we have a Common Travel Area, must present themselves to a UK border official.

EU citizens do not have an absolute right of entry and can in some circumstances be turned away.

An FOI request to the Home Office revealed that in 2009 for example just over 400 EU citizens were refused entry into the UK.

 

[Avenged7Fold]

But...but... the British empire once had... blah blah blah.

*Waves St Georges cross flag, pets pug, drinks a pint and knocks out nearest brown person*

 

[Kenai]

Cameron has just now once again said we totally control our own borders.
What a liar he is.

We do, in that you need a passport etc to come here or leave here, which you don't in the rest of the EU.

What we don't fully control is the policy of who is and isn't allowed in when it comes to EU citizens.

They're subtly different but he's not lying in what he says.

 

[Nevakonaza]

The thing that's bothering me most about this vote is, it's creeping up but I still have no idea which way to vote.

May i suggest watching some of Nigel farage campaign clips s on youtube,Everything he says is true..this is the man id like to see become prime minister.

There is nothing good about been in the EU currently,Even the government are getting desperate with their latest tactic "Stay in" sending flyers to peoples home costing us tax payers over 9 Million btw..they could have spent that money on building new affordable houses for the young folk,Or new hospitals (lack of beds anyone?..short staff?)..nope lets waste it on some paper.

 

[John40]

We do, in that you need a passport etc to come here or leave here, which you don't in the rest of the EU.

What we don't fully control is the policy of who is and isn't allowed in when it comes to EU citizens.

They're subtly different but he's not lying in what he says.

I think most people wouldn't see that as controlling our own borders.

 

[platypus]

Have you seen The Big Short? You'd like it.

No but I'll try and check it out.

 

[John40]

Well we do control our borders - anyone entering the UK, unless doing so from the Republic of Ireland with whom we have a Common Travel Area, must present themselves to a UK border official.

EU citizens do not have an absolute right of entry and can in some circumstances be turned away.

An FOI request to the Home Office revealed that in 2009 for example just over 400 EU citizens were refused entry into the UK.

Wow! 400 that'll show 'em. Now tell us how many came in ?

 

[platypus]

The thing that's bothering me most about this vote is, it's creeping up but I still have no idea which way to vote. I don't feel there's enough information around to form an educated choice and this bothers me.

May i suggest watching some of Nigel farage campaign clips s on youtube,Everything he says is true..this is the man id like to see become prime minister.

And I think most rational people would suggest that if you want a fair and unbiased point of view that isn't driven by a political agenda, don't listen to Farage.

There is nothing good about been in the EU currently,Even the government are getting desperate with their latest tactic "Stay in" sending flyers to peoples home costing us tax payers over 9 Million btw..they could have spent that money on building new affordable houses for the young folk,Or new hospitals (lack of beds anyone?..short staff?)..nope lets waste it on some paper.

[/quote]Funniest thing I've read in a while. Whilst I don't think anyone hasn't said its not a goo duse of money, how far do you think £9m would go in building a new hospital?

 

[[TW]Fox]

May i suggest watching some of Nigel farage campaign clips s on youtube,Everything he says is true..this is the man id like to see become prime minister.

There is nothing good about been in the EU currently,Even the government are getting desperate with their latest tactic "Stay in" sending flyers to peoples home costing us tax payers over 9 Million btw..they could have spent that money on building new affordable houses for the young folk,Or new hospitals (lack of beds anyone?..short staff?)..nope lets waste it on some paper.

Yes, if we hadn't spent £9m on a leaflet we could have built a new hospital. That was absolutely the choice on the table - Hospital or Leaflet.

 

[[TW]Fox]

Wow! 400 that'll show 'em. Now tell us how many came in ?

Lots and lots - they spent money here, they enjoyed holidays here, they traveled around the country and some of them purchased property here, paid rent here, paid taxes here and started businesses here. In return, we went to Europe, we went on holiday there, we bought property there, some of us paid taxes there, we worked there and some of us started businesses there.

Isn't it great?

1.26 million British people live in Europe.

 

[Kenai]

I think most people wouldn't see that as controlling our own borders.

'Most people' misunderstanding what things mean doesn't make Cameron a liar.

Whether people like to believe it or not, we do control our borders in a way that other EU countries don't.

Immigration policy and freedom of movement is not the same as border control.

 

[John40]

Lots and lots - they spent money here, they enjoyed holidays here, they traveled around the country and some of them purchased property here, paid rent here, paid taxes here and started businesses here. In return, we went to Europe, we went on holiday there, we bought property there, some of us paid taxes there, we worked there and some of us started businesses there.

Isn't it great?

1.26 million British people live in Europe.

Some paid taxes here but loads and loads didn't like my friendly Romanian car washers down the road who all live in one caravan and are paid cash in hand, pay no tax and contribute bugger all.

 

[estebanrey]

The EU is only incentivising one though. I rather suspect the reason for that may be the Eastern European countries, whose economies should be growing fast as a result of EU membership, are probably expecting to increase the amount of waste they produce, and therefore wouldn't be willing to agree to targets to reduce the amount of waste. Which is another example I think for why the EU's 'one size fits all' approach just isn't effective.

Have you heard of the European Waste Hierarchy?

http://ec.europa.eu/environment/waste/framework/

Prevention is at the top and, so at least in theory all businesses in the EU are bound by it and therefore should be putting prevention before recycling, which comes third to re-use.

I don't know what penalties or incentives there are for businesses that don't follow it but it does show prevention is high on the agenda.

 

[[TW]Fox]

Some paid taxes here but loads and loads didn't like my friendly Romanian car washers down the road who all live in one caravan and are paid cash in hand, pay no tax and contribute bugger all.

Yay more anecdotes.

Also no British people ever fail to declare cash in hand work on a tax return.

 

[John40]

'Most people' misunderstanding what things mean doesn't make Cameron a liar.

Whether people like to believe it or not, we do control our borders in a way that other EU countries don't.

Will nobody admit we DON'T fully control our borders ?

 

[Tunney]

Even the government are getting desperate with their latest tactic "Stay in" sending flyers to peoples home costing us tax payers over 9 Million btw..they could have spent that money on building new affordable houses for the young folk,Or new hospitals (lack of beds anyone?..short staff?)..nope lets waste it on some paper.

As unfair as the mailshot was, I doubt you'd build many hospitals for £9m.

 

[estebanrey]

Yes, if we hadn't spent £9m on a leaflet we could have built a new hospital. That was absolutely the choice on the table - Hospital or Leaflet.

..not to mention the fact it would cost far more than £9m to build a hospital (unless you want one with no equipment, machines or doctors).

The Butlins I visteded recently spent £13m a couple of years ago just to revamp its water park.

 

[Kenai]

Will nobody admit we DON'T fully control our borders ?

We do though. Just because some people are happy to pretend immigration policy and border control are the same thing doesn't make it true.

Whether you like to admit it or not , our borders are controlled.

What you don't like is that they are controlled in accordance with a policy you disagree with but that doesn't mean they're uncontrolled.

 

[estebanrey]

Also no British people ever fail to declare cash in hand work on a tax return.

Difference being that gets spent in Britain and thus ultimately ends up back in the tax system anyway and not wired back home and going straight out of our economy.