Channel 4 - What British Muslims Really Think

Amnesia · 14 Apr 2016 at 18:13

OldCoals said:
Given that most people keep their prejudices to themselves, do you really expect everyone to announce them to you?

I would expect friends to be a bit more open yes, after all they are giving randomers this information to share to the world.

Mynight · 14 Apr 2016 at 18:13

Amnesia said:
Nope I wouldnt as it would support my own experience, I gave my own experience as i had never met muslims who were supporting isis in any way or had this massive hate for homosexuals.

if you have muslim friends who do support isis and do hate homosexuals then you could just as easily have said so...this isn't a one way street where only positives are allowed.

To be fair neither have I.

Although I wouldn't expect them to be open about it. Not really a normal conversation piece

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Edit: Actually thats a lie I do have one mate whos rather homophobic but I don't think him being muslim has anything to do with it.

Amnesia · 14 Apr 2016 at 18:16

Mynight said:
To be fair neither have I.

Although I wouldn't expect them to be open about it. Not really a normal conversation piece .

the homosexual thing isnt a normal discussion but isis comes up a fair bit. they seem pretty ****** towards isis as its ordinary muslims who get all the backlash everytime something happens.

if they weren't open about it why are they giving it to all these strangers to use against them ?

Mynight · 14 Apr 2016 at 18:28

Amnesia said:
the homosexual thing isnt a normal discussion but isis comes up a fair bit. they seem pretty ****** towards isis as its ordinary muslims who get all the backlash everytime something happens.

if they weren't open about it why are they giving it to all these strangers to use against them ?

Never come up with the ones I know.

Well I would imagine names arent being recorded with whom said what. Cant use it against them if it's not identifiable.

Amnesia · 14 Apr 2016 at 18:32

Mynight said:
Never come up with the ones I know.

Well I would imagine names arent being recorded with whom said what. Cant use it against them if it's not identifiable.

But clearly it is getting used against muslims as a whole.

Mynight · 14 Apr 2016 at 18:37

Amnesia said:
But clearly it is getting used against muslims as a whole.

Only by the people who believe extrapolation is 100% correct.

Regardless of if this survey existed or not that wouldn't change the minds of people who believe such a thing. I would be surprised to hear of anyone reading such a survey and suddenly start treating all Muslims as terrorists if they didn't already before.

Dis86 · 14 Apr 2016 at 18:50

Amnesia said:
Not what you wanted to read im guessing.
We should all be aboard the hate train.

It's not a question of hatred. It's a question of acceptance.

estebanrey · 14 Apr 2016 at 18:59

People quickly forget it was only 64 years ago we, the British, chemically castrated a man [Alan Turing] who won a world war for his country for simply being homosexual.

Given we've been living in communal societies for tens of thousands of years, is it really that surprising to see a 64 year lag in belief systems?

The Running Man · 14 Apr 2016 at 19:05

estebanrey said:
People quickly forget it was only 64 years ago we, the British, chemically castrated a man [Alan Turing] who won a world war for his country for simply being homosexual.

Given we've been living in communal societies for tens of thousands of years, is it really that surprising to see a 64 year lag in belief systems?

No we just see progress as we move towards more liberal less religious values. They are dtill stoning people to death in 'developed' countries like saudi arabia...

Casdawer · 14 Apr 2016 at 19:08

Johno please? said:
Thats all very well if Christians were also blowing themselves up and shooting people in hotels, shopping malls etc.... but they're not are they, its muslims.

There are plenty of Christian Terrorist groups operating around the world, they just don't get the media attention that Muslim Terrorist Groups do.

A quick Google will show you plenty that still operate.

Dis86 · 14 Apr 2016 at 19:09

The Running Man said:
No we just see progress as we move towards more liberal less religious values. They are dtill stoning people to death in 'developed' countries like saudi arabia...

It's not even towards being less religious. There is nothing wrong with religion or faith. There is everything wrong with blind devotion to barbaric requirements.

Dis86 · 14 Apr 2016 at 19:10

Casdawer said:
There are plenty of Christian Terrorist groups operating around the world, they just don't get the media attention that Muslim Terrorist Groups do.

A quick Google will show you plenty that still operate.

Look at the number of victims of each...then you'll see which are the problem

Roar87 · 14 Apr 2016 at 19:11

Casdawer said:
There are plenty of Christian Terrorist groups operating around the world, they just don't get the media attention that Muslim Terrorist Groups do.

A quick Google will show you plenty that still operate.

Come on now, are you suggesting there are large scale terrorist attacks that just aren't covered by the media? You must know you're talking rubbish at this point?

Hitman_Leon · 14 Apr 2016 at 19:18

Keep it civil guys

Casdawer · 14 Apr 2016 at 19:30

Dis86 said:
Look at the number of victims of each...then you'll see which are the problem

Roar87 said:
Come on now, are you suggesting there are large scale terrorist attacks that just aren't covered by the media? You must know you're talking rubbish at this point?

The scale of the attack and the number of victims doesn't make any terror attack any less worse! One victim, a hundred victims, a thousand victims; people are still being killed for by people with distorted religious views.

Yes, at the moment ISIS are the biggest threat we face but don't pretend that other religions haven't had there go at doing the same thing in previous years.

Muslims are not our enemy, not in the slightest. Saying that Muslims are our enemy because of ISIS is like saying that Germans are our enemies because of the Nazi's. It's just stupid and ignorant thinking.

Amnesia · 14 Apr 2016 at 19:33

Mynight said:
I would be surprised to hear of anyone reading such a survey and suddenly start treating all Muslims as terrorists if they didn't already before.

No its just more ammunition.

Dis86 · 14 Apr 2016 at 19:37

Casdawer said:
The scale of the attack and the number of victims doesn't make any terror attack any less worse! One victim, a hundred victims, a thousand victims; people are still being killed for by people with distorted religious views.

Yes, at the moment ISIS are the biggest threat we face but don't pretend that other religions haven't had there go at doing the same thing in previous years.

Muslims are not our enemy, not in the slightest. Saying that Muslims are our enemy because of ISIS is like saying that Germans are our enemies because of the Nazi's. It's just stupid and ignorant thinking.

Damn. Guess we made a mistake killing all those Germans during the second world war?

NeilF · 14 Apr 2016 at 20:18

estebanrey said:
People quickly forget it was only 64 years ago we, the British, chemically castrated a man [Alan Turing] who won a world war for his country for simply being homosexual.

Given we've been living in communal societies for tens of thousands of years, is it really that surprising to see a 64 year lag in belief systems?

And yet here we are in a country and culture that now accepts and tolerates homosexuals and women in almost all areas of society and culture without a second thought, and certainly pro-actively tries to treat them as equals...

Your point?

Casdawer said:
The scale of the attack and the number of victims doesn't make any terror attack any less worse! One victim, a hundred victims, a thousand victims; people are still being killed for by people with distorted religious views.

Yes, at the moment ISIS are the biggest threat we face but don't pretend that other religions haven't had there go at doing the same thing in previous years.

Muslims are not our enemy, not in the slightest. Saying that Muslims are our enemy because of ISIS is like saying that Germans are our enemies because of the Nazi's. It's just stupid and ignorant thinking.

No, Muslim's are not our enemy. The Quran and its literal interpretation is...

KIA · 14 Apr 2016 at 20:39

I'm not at all surprised by the result of the survey.

Dis86 · 14 Apr 2016 at 20:49

NeilFawcett said:
And yet here we are in a country and culture that now accepts and tolerates homosexuals and women in almost all areas of society and culture without a second thought, and certainly pro-actively tries to treat them as equals...

Your point?

No, Muslim's are not our enemy. The Quran and its literal interpretation is...

Bingo