Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (April Poll)

Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

  • Remain a member of the European Union

    Votes: 452 45.0%

  • Leave the European Union

    Votes: 553 55.0%
  • Total voters
    1,005
  • Poll closed .
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it was more in relation to him being rather vocal about the brexit debate in recent days... fact he's no longer an MP is rather moot
 
jas72 said:
Ok Who's fault is it that the government pays 35K to these people? There is no EU law that I know of forcing the UK to make these payments.
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The EU law that says they can't be treated differently to British people.

The benifits laws where set up with Britain in mind for british people living in Britain. Not for millions of eastern europeans with children not in the country.

*Change that and the influx becomes a trickle. Oh wait Cameron already has negotiated that part.
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For a one time period of 4 or was it 7 years?

Not permenant.
 
Ten Jeremy Corbyn quotes on the EU. Wonder if Zethor thinks Corbyn believes in the concept of "pure blood" as well :D

July 2015 – “Brutal”

“If the EU becomes a totally brutal organisation that treats every one of its member states in the way that the people of Greece have been treated at the moment, then I think it will lose a lot of support from a lot of people.”

June 2015 – “Colonies of debt peonage”

“[If] Greece leaves both the eurozone and the EU its future would be uncertain, but at least it could be its own. … There is no future for a usurious Europe that turns its smaller nations into colonies of debt peonage.”

January 2015 – Undemocratic

Public opposition to the EU’s TTIP treaty is “a cri de coeur for democracy and for the right of people to elect a Government who can decide what goes on in their country.”

April 2013 – “Worst of all worlds”

“Switzerland, which is not a member of the EU, has no problems integrating rail services with Germany, France and Italy, and I do not think that any other country should have any problems either. What we have is the worst of all worlds.”

February 2011 – Human rights abuses

“We have EU trade agreements with a number of countries that include a human rights clause that has not been enforced or effected. Is it not time for us to look again at the whole strategy for the region?

May 2005 – “Simply crazy”

It is morally wrong [to] pay farmers to over-produce… then use taxpayers’ money to buy the over-production, so it is already a double purchase, and it is then shipped at enormous public cost across the seas to be dumped as maize on African societies. … The practice is simply crazy and must be stopped.”

October 2003 – Morally Unjustifiable

“[W]e are now exporting 40 per cent of the world’s sugar and subsidising it to the tune of €500 per tonne. That is not justifiable in any moral or other sense. We are driving cane sugar producers in Africa and elsewhere out of business so that European sugar can be dumped on their markets.”

May 1993 – Opposition to Maastricht

“I am sure that [Labour MPs] will vote against the Maastricht treaty again tonight, primarily because it takes away from national Parliaments the power to set economic policy and hands it over to an unelected set of bankers”

March 1993 – EU Army

“[W]e are moving towards a common European defence and foreign policy. That being so, one must ask who proposes it, who controls it and what it is for? … Title V states that the objective of such a policy shall be “to safeguard the common values, fundamental interests and independence of the Union”. What exactly does that mean?”

... and the tenth:

“The EU, to its shame, concluded a special trade agreement with Morocco for fishing rights that includes the waters off occupied Western Sahara. In doing so, it authorised the plunder of natural resources on a grand scale with no benefit at all the Saharawi people.”
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Obama to intervene with a warning against Brexit during his visit, apparently. Sounds like Dave is worried and no doubt it'll be in a typically patronising 'murica style.

"I say, Obama old chap. These awful peasants are simply not playing ball so would you mind helping me put them in their place?" :D

The irony of the POTUS telling us not to vote for independence isn't lost on me. Not to mention the possible impact on TTIP if we leave. :)
 
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jas72 said:
Ok Who's fault is it that the government pays 35K to these people? There is no EU law that I know of forcing the UK to make these payments.

It's the UK that's decided to allow minimum wage topped up with tax credits etc. Change that and the influx becomes a trickle. Oh wait Cameron already has negotiated that part. :p

The other side of the coin is that the UK has benefitted from some of Eastern Europe's brightest minds without having to pay any of their educational costs.


I'm sure he can get more as other countries populations are also crying out for more nationalism.
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It's not set in stone though is it? It's what's currently hiding behind Bully. "Look at what you could've won".
 
scorza said:
I dunno too much about the situation in Germany but I imagine it's the same
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Why doesn't that surprise me, it seems a lot of what you post is what you imagine the situation is ;)

C64 said:
Example eu migrant with 5 kids earning 20 k year gets 35k a year that's right THIRTY FIVE THOUSAND POUNDS given to them on top of their wages courtesy of the uk tax payer.
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Not THIRTY FIVE THOUSAND POUNDS! ....well, actually that's right NOT thirty five thousand pounds....it's pretty easy to fact check this piece of ***** Star it out, just run your own Working tax credit calculator.

You still won't like the answer, lol, but it's not 35K

And it's all Child Tax Credit and Childcare reimbursement costs as they get no working tax credits earning £20k....and really, how common is it going to be that a single parent with 5 kids is working full time for £20k....so let's choose a completely unrepresentative example to skew some figures to stir up faux outrage *yawn*
 
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Mulder said:
Whichever way you look at it, Norway has a lot more "sovereignty" than we do.
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No, it doesn't.

The principle of the "Supremacy of EU Law" applies to more areas if you're in the EU as opposed to in the EEA/EFTA.
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Yes, EU law applies to fewer areas of Norwegian law but in all of those areas Norway has no say over those laws; in the UK, it applies to more areas but we have a say in how those laws are made. EU law is not made by some distant organisation of which we are no part, our elected representatives control and influence lawmaking by the EU. Norway hasn't even got a seat at the table when we discuss the rules.
 
I will definitely be voting to stay in the EU. I'll be honest, I don't know nearly as much about it as I feel I need to (then again I would say that is probably the case for most of the population), however from what I have read I feel it is the best option. Of course there are downsides, but from the information I have seen I believe the pros outweigh the cons.
 
Tefal said:
errr if the kids are in the EU country and the parent is here its gonna be kinda obvious they're not single,....
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Is it? They could be with grandparents? We are making up ficticous examples here remember :p

Anyway, the single bit is slightly irrelevant, I only put that to include childcare costs so to give the maximum award possible....so if they weren't single, the amount they would be getting would be significantly less as they wouldn't be paying for childcare
 
Narj said:
The irony of the POTUS telling us not to vote for independence isn't lost on me. Not to mention the possible impact on TTIP if we leave. :)
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It's laughable really, there's more chance of America banning guns than there is the USA joining a political union that would allow other countries to set their laws
 
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