We've been over this hundreds of times in this thread. A remain vote is a vote for the status quo. We already know what we have as EU members, those are more or less the only hard facts in this whole debate.
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We've been over this hundreds of times in this thread. A remain vote is a vote for the status quo. We already know what we have as EU members, those are more or less the only hard facts in this whole debate.
So on the one hand there's the dilution of sovereignty argument put forward by the Brexit side, and then we have a complaint that the EU doesn't listen to grievances from states that aren't EU members.
There is no vote for the status quo in this referendum - we either Leave and are responsible for our own future, or we stay in the EU and let them determine it, which will inevitably mean further integration.
OTOH the EU seems quite keen on addressing Turkey's grievances at the moment...
You're still struggling to see how the EU isn't a "them" thing. It's a body that the UK is a member of. If we fail to influence policy by electing a bunch of morons to represent us who then decide that the best way to show their disapproval of the way the EU is headed is to not participate in any way then we probably deserve what happens.
Yes I very much see Europe as 'them' and British people as 'us'. I hope it stays that way for a long time as I don't want to be governed by 'them'.
MEPs don't draw up policies - the European Commission and Council do. Besides which Britain is unfairly under-represented in the European Parliament.
The European Commission and European Council, both made up of elected representatives or of representatives appointed by elected governments of member states.
Your argument seems less about a lack of representation and more to do with seeing not getting our own way all the time as a failing of the EU.
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The European Commission isn't elected - it's appointed. The Council is a joke when the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom's vote (13% population of Europe, annual contrib: £13bn) is worth the same as the Prime Minister of Malta (0.08% population of Europe, annual contrib: £60m). I have nothing against Malta or the Maltese people, but the whole set up is designed to make sure the UK isn't able to influence proceedings at the UK too much.
I agree btw, that if we ran the EU then I'd be supportive of it, but I'd be supportive because we'd run it a lot more efficiently and effectively than it's run at the moment.
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The 'I'm not racist' disclaimer was a pretty big clue.
^^ This. Well spotted, Mr Caged.
I guess you don't read these forums much. Scorza time and time again slates any and all nationalities that he considers below him. I stopped trying to reason with him.
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At least the UN aren't obsessed with federalisation and controlling our laws. If that were the case then I'd understand the desire for a bigger say in matters but in the eu were just lacking that control over domestic policy in many regards.
Germany would be much better off outside the EU on everything except currency. The Euro pegs their exchange lower than it would be if they had the Mark. This gives them a boost to their exports. This does of course not apply to the UK as we have control of our currency.
If true, which it isn't, then it would make me xenophobic not racist. In any case I don't fear foreigners, I want immigration to the UK but I want it to be controlled. A child of 5 could come up with a better system than that used in Brussels so I don't see how you can deny that the UK couldn't.
I feel that ultimately that's an issue for the Germans - they might feel that they are able to use other methods to get the influence in Brussels to which they feel entitled.
The UN is a west-hating joke. We'd be better off just leaving it.
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