Is it appropriate for work to call during a week off asking you to come in?

How long did you stay in that job after that incident?

I stayed for 2 more years after that (!), but the 2nd-line tech didn't last long as IT manager. I got bullied by him (religion being his main theme), and while the big cheese still stuck up for him, he basically got ousted by us lowly non-believing mortals and he left his management post (and the company) after 9 months.
 
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All the time. Sometimes all that is needed is a holiday from work and the routine. Getting up and doing random things that the day brings is just as good as having a pre-planned mapped-out week off work.

But going into work because some 2 bit manager phones up is not an option.

Indeed - once the rush and stress of the Christmas peak period when we are most busy is over I take a week off with nothing planned just to unwind and put a break between it and the work of the year ahead.

I usually only have 1-2 weeks with definite holiday plans, couple of weeks that will be day trip type stuff and/or have stuff planned to do around the house and the rest just booked off to relax.
 
Have had this week booked off for months, twice now work have called me asking me to come in and cover short staffed shifts, is that appropriate or am I justified in being a little annoyed at having my week off disturbed by being made to feel guilty that my colleagues are short staffed?

Completely appropriate to be annoyed. Something similar happened to me when I was on holiday a couple of years ago, except I wan't asked. I was TOLD I had to come in. I replied vocally in the negative and followed up with an email telling them exactly what I thought of their demands.

Completely unacceptable. They know the staff member is on holiday and could be anywhere in or out of the country. Call someone who's not booked an official holiday (insert many expletives directed at the relevant company).
 
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Not read the entire thread but it completely depends on you, your role, your job, the company, your colleagues etc.

My OH for example gets 7 weeks off a year and has to book holiday a fair bit in advance, or take it whenever, meaning no plans are ever made. She and lots of her colleagues do this and hope the phone rings or actively booked in overtime to get triple pay.

On the other hand I run a small company and if we asked someone to come in then it would be sheer desperation and of the utmost importance.
 
Have had this week booked off for months, twice now work have called me asking me to come in and cover short staffed shifts, is that appropriate or am I justified in being a little annoyed at having my week off disturbed by being made to feel guilty that my colleagues are short staffed?
Unless you've made it explicitly clear, in advance, that you do not want to be contacted, then yes, it's acceptable to ask. It's not acceptable to pressure you, though.

What to do about it is up to you and at least partly dependent on the nature of your job, and whether you consider you have a job or a career. If I were the employer, I wouldn't look unfavourably on someone with a good reason for declining, but next time a promotion came up I would be considering who was prepared to jump in and help, and who just wasn't, without having a good reason.

There are no hard black and whites in this. It's a spectrum of greys. Different kinds of jobs, different kinds of reasons, different levels of reasonableness by bosses. Nobody can give you a right or wrong answer.

But I can tell you, over the years, I've always regarded the employer/employee relationship as give and take. When someone helps me out when I ask, I'm much more likely to help them out, especially when looking for someone with the right attitude for promotion. And that generally isn't clockwatchers. Not that not wanting to go in on your day/week off makes you a clockwatcher, but I hope you see the point.

For instance, there might come a point where you want or need overtime, and I only have a limited need. Who gets it? The person who helps when asked, or the one who doesn't. There might come a time when you want time off but don't really want to book holiday. Do I say yes, just go? Give and take, remember.
 
Unless you've made it explicitly clear, in advance, that you do not want to be contacted, then yes, it's acceptable to ask. It's not acceptable to pressure you, though.

What to do about it is up to you and at least partly dependent on the nature of your job, and whether you consider you have a job or a career. If I were the employer, I wouldn't look unfavourably on someone with a good reason for declining, but next time a promotion came up I would be considering who was prepared to jump in and help, and who just wasn't, without having a good reason.

I don't know if you're struggling to put your point into words but the notion that an employee would need a "good reason" to be able to remain on leave that was approved and has already started is hilarious and I am glad I don't work for you or for a company that has moulded your opinions into their current form.

There's flexibility and give and take - which most people can understand and cope with - and then there's whatever distortion of that relationship that led you to think you are owed a reason for someone to remain on their leave.
 
Completely appropriate to be annoyed. Something similar happened to me when I was on holiday a couple of years ago, except I wan't asked. I was TOLD I had to come in. I replied vocally in the negative and followed up with an email telling them exactly what I thought of their demands.

Completely unacceptable. They know the staff member is on holiday and could be anywhere in or out of the country. Call someone who's not booked an official holiday (insert many expletives directed at the relevant company).
That, by the way, is a good reason for having two mobiles (or two numbers, dual SIM) and keeping one strictly for personal/family use.

When I want to be incommucado from work, I turn the work one off. They don't have the personal number. Or rather, only one person at work does and she knows better than to use it short of emergency. By that, I mean emergency to me, not someone at work having a panic fit and wanting to dump a problem in my lap. She can get me if need be, but nobody else knows she can.

I agree, though, about being "told" to come in, and my reaction would be firm, and negative, too.
 
I don't know if you're struggling to put your point into words but the notion that an employee would need a "good reason" to be able to remain on leave that was approved and has already started is hilarious and I am glad I don't work for you or for a company that has moulded your opinions into their current form.

There's flexibility and give and take - which most people can understand and cope with - and then there's whatever distortion of that relationship that led you to think you are owed a reason for someone to remain on their leave.
Not quite what I meant.

Anyone on holiday is on holiday. They don't need a good reason to say no, they're not coming in.

However, when it comes to them wanting something from me, I know who gives, and who just expects to take.

So, if I have two eligible staff members and one promotion going, do I give it to someone prepared to put themselves out to help, or someone who won't?

However, if someone won't come in for a specific reason, like they have visitors, or the wife is off and they're taking the kids out, or they're up to their neck in paint and wallpaper paste, then I'd simply try someobe else. That first person has good reason.

Conversely, when I have extra work available, who do I call first? The person who helps me when I ask, or the person that regularly won't come in? So, some time later, that person that always says no comes and asks for extra work, do you think I'll favour them over someone that wants extra work and usually comes when I ask?

Nobody is obliged to come in, and even among those that usually will there are sometimes good reason why, this time, they can't. And fair enough. But for those that want to do scheduled days only, and/or work to the clock, don't imagine I don't notice that, too.
 
The problem as I see it is that you are classifying someone who doesn't want to come to work during a period of annual leave that has been approved and already started, as someone who "just expects to take".

That just isn't the case at all. In this situation the employer is looking to take, and needs to realise that when asking, and be prepared to give in return.

So what if they just wanted a week off to relax and not think about work, that's none of your concern, and you keep using the term "good reason" as though somehow it being agreed leave isn't already an incredibly good reason.
 
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The problem as I see it is that you are classifying someone who doesn't want to come to work during a period of annual leave that has been approved and already started, as someone who "just expects to take".

That just isn't the case at all. In this situation the employer is looking to take, and needs to realise that when asking, and be prepared to give in return.
No, you're still misunderstanding me.

Leave is leave, and I do not expect anyone to come in. Or be obliged to give a reason.

But, I will notice who is prepared to put themselves out to help. That person, if you like, scores points. I'm more inclined to help them. Give and take. Like, recently, one of my best staff wanted to pick relatives up from the airport early one afternoon. I could, quite reasonably, have required a half-day off to do it. Instead, I said just go.

Had I asked them for help half a dozen times and got a blanket "no", why should I?

On the other hand, had they said "sorry, can't because..... " then fair enough. They're certainly not obliged to come in on days off, or provide reasons. They're employed at x pay for y hours/days, and the contract says z days off.

Saying "no" doesn't count against them. At all. Ever.

The give and take is that it cuts both ways. Nobody is under obligation to come in on a day off just because I ask. They're entirely welcome to just work expected days, and hours. But .... I'm not required to give time off on top of that, or promote them, or give extra overtime in preference to others, either. Those that won't help out if asked can't expect me to bend over backwards, either.

But saying yes counts for them. They help me, I'm more inclined to help them. However, I don't see it as a negative if someone I'd expect to normally help can't, for a specific reason.

This is not some sort of formal system with points in a ledger or anything. You just get to know people's attitudes. Some just want to work contracted hours for contracted pay. Fair enough. Some have a more positive attitude, will stay longer, come in early, do things they might not normally do, help supervise a starter and so on. But even people I'd normally expect to be willing to come in sometimes just can't. Something is going on, and even if they want to, they can't. That's what I mean by good reason, that however much they might normally help out, sometimes there are good reasons why they just can't.

If someone wants to abide by strict contract provision, that's fair enough. There's no negative impact from me. I'm getting what I'm paying for. But don't be too surprised if I take the same attitude back. And don't expect to jump the promotion queue either.

I have come across those that think that because I cut Fred some slack, I'm obliged to cut them the same slack, never considering that Fred helps me out when I ask and they don't. Most managers and employers notice who has a constructive, helpful attitude, who is just doing a day's work for a day's pay, and who is a malcontent with a chip on their shoulder. The first is promotion material, the second is fair enough, and the third can often be a liability. I'm not suggesting anything about where the OP falls, and those categories are a gross simplification. But we all read people and attitudes, and are more inclined to put ourselves out for those that will, or have done likewise.
 
Have had this week booked off for months, twice now work have called me asking me to come in and cover short staffed shifts, is that appropriate or am I justified in being a little annoyed at having my week off disturbed by being made to feel guilty that my colleagues are short staffed?

No

Sounds like you work for a bunch of morons.

Not appropriate at all and wouldn't even respond to their calls/emails.
 
Sounds like you work at mc Donald's or clean toilets. I wouldn't appreciate it if that was my job either.
 
Coming in when asked if on holiday, covering absent staff with 12 hour shifts etc means nothing if that person isn't actually that skilled at the job. Anyone who says this is enough to win promotion is lying. Returning a favour yes, promotion no. :)
 
I had a former employer that seemed to do it on purpose. Form of bullying if you will. I handled it by having a long .wav file of various laughter. Mainly the joker. I'd just play that to them loud until they hung up.
 
My place will pay you for coming in on your holiday but they won't give you your holiday back in lieu. They don't like it when you take a holiday to start with as it always leave them short staffed. Well not really short staffed if the 2 bit managers/supervisors knew how to lead.
 
If you have a week off and you get a phone call on day 3 and asked to come in for the rest of the week then the only fair way to handle that is to give the entire holiday period back to the employee. If you've booked a week off then having it reduced to two days off and three days you can use in the future is leaving you worse off than you were before.
 
No, not appropriate to call when they are responsible for their short sighted planning. If a major system went down there would still be cover to deal with it. I would only expect to be called (or make the call) in exceptional circumstances and this does not fall into such a category.
 
Don't think it's a big deal if they call. Generally if I use annual leave I'm not in the local area (couple hours drive away) though (and would say no).

I would also say no if my Mrs has also taken time off work (unless they offered triple time for coming in.... Which they can't actually do :o.

If I just had the day off to sit in my house then I'd go in if work asked (nicely!)
 
I wouldn't call one phone call on the matter the grave insult some people in this topic are making it. Say No, and that's the end of it until you go back to work, enjoy the rest of your holiday.
 
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