Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (April Poll)

Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

  • Remain a member of the European Union

    Votes: 452 45.0%

  • Leave the European Union

    Votes: 553 55.0%
  • Total voters
    1,005
  • Poll closed .
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Parabellum said:
The Global financial melt down & banking collapse of 2008 is not is not comparable with Tata steel. The near collapse of the financial system in 2008 represented an existential threat to the still nascent effort to integrate financial markets. Governments across Europe found themselves compelled by circumstance to bail-out domestic banks. In this case the European Commission "facilitated" the bail outs... the story is well known.

Under EU law the European Commission has the authority to prohibit state aid "IF" a government wanted to help!

We don't need a european commission telling us how to govern! and weather or not a government step in to save thousands of jobs.
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So what about us stopping the EU implementing tariffs on Chinese steel?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...es-steel-industry-to-curry-favour-with-china/

Britain sacrifices steel industry to curry favour with China
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What we know is that the British government has for the last three years been blocking efforts by the EU to equip itself with the sort of anti-dumping weaponry used by Washington to confront China.

The EU trade directorate has been rendered toothless by a British veto. So much for the canard that the UK has no influence in Brussels.
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The British steel industry, facilitated by our own Govt have brought this on themselves, nothing to do with the EU.
 
Freakbro said:
So what about us stopping the EU implementing tariffs on Chinese steel?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...es-steel-industry-to-curry-favour-with-china/





The British steel industry, facilitated by our own Govt have brought this on themselves, nothing to do with the EU.
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The EU has responsibility for implementing tariffs e.g. on Chinese steel though, not the UK - the EU has failed to do so. That's the problem with transferring sovereignty to another entity - you lose transparency. If we weren't in the EU and the government was able to police the trade agreements we had made, then it would have been clear to everyone that it was *our government* that was allowing steel to be killed. Questions would have been asked in Parliament, ministers hauled up in front of select committees, voters better informed to decide who to vote for at the next election. By being in the EU, the Tories were able to hide behind the facade of Brussels.
 
Osborne banging on about this figure of 4 grand calling it Independent yet it's his treasury that has produced this fgure so it can't possibly be untainted or in any way Independent.

You can pluck any figure out of thin air like this and nobody can argue one way or the other, the trouble is the ignorant and guillible will just see the 4 grand figure and assume the day we leave they'll be 4 grand worse off.
Treasury forecasts have an awful record of being wrong they aren't to be trusted.
 
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The stay campaign is basically about all the negative things that might happen if we leave. But what seems to be very underplayed is all the great things the EU has brought us.

Can anyone give me a list of the benefits that would have been impossible for the UK to implement without the EU?

People talk about workers rights etc. but there is no reason we could not have implemented the same laws ourselves. What is it that the EU has made possible that would otherwise be impossible or extremely difficult?
 
MookJong said:
The stay campaign is basically about all the negative things that might happen if we leave. But what seems to be very underplayed is all the great things the EU has brought us.

Can anyone give me a list of the benefits that would have been impossible for the UK to implement without the EU?

People talk about workers rights etc. but there is no reason we could not have implemented the same laws ourselves. What is it that the EU has made possible that would otherwise be impossible or extremely difficult?
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I don't think there are any benefits it would have been impossible to implement. Whether or not we'd have chosen to implement them is a different matter, though I guess.

If someone does come up with a list of them, it'd be good to have a list of things that have been forced upon us through our membership that we'd not have implemented.
 
Funny how the Government was banging on about "all the unknowns" of Brexit and how it's a floor of the Brexit campaign that they can't say what will happen post Brexit.....

...but they then release a very specific report (using loads of complex maths) on the exact economic cost of Brexit under various scenarios.

Seems like a contradiction to me.
 
MookJong said:
The stay campaign is basically about all the negative things that might happen if we leave. But what seems to be very underplayed is all the great things the EU has brought us.

Can anyone give me a list of the benefits that would have been impossible for the UK to implement without the EU?

People talk about workers rights etc. but there is no reason we could not have implemented the same laws ourselves. What is it that the EU has made possible that would otherwise be impossible or extremely difficult?
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I'd like to see ANY list of these great workers' right the EU has given us, it just seems to be a given when you actually press people on what they are, few people can say.

My sisters was banging on about having to stay in the EU because of "workers' rights" but when I asked her to name me one she had which she wouldn't outside the EU, she struggled to answer and gave some vague nod to maternity rights.

UK workers have a veto with regard to the working time directive (making it pointless in any competitive industry) so aren't really protected by that. The minimum wage increase was government and not EU, the EU didn't block the extension of the period in which you are unable to sue your employer from a year to two years and we exceed most other EU employment laws and have always done so.
 
Moses said:
We could have unilaterally implement increased rights for workers/better health and safety/etc, or implemented better environmental standards, etc, but if we'd done that and no one else had followed we'd have made ourselves less competitive relative to the EU states. Having everyone do something means that doesn't happen.
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and with a Tory government who's sole purpose is to line the pockets of the rich incredibly unlikely!
 
Mulder said:
Funny how the Government was banging on about "all the unknowns" of Brexit and how it's a floor of the Brexit campaign that they can't say what will happen post Brexit.....

...but they then release a very specific report (using loads of complex maths) on the exact economic cost of Brexit under various scenarios.

Seems like a contradiction to me.
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How is a contradiction? They said it's a flaw (not a floor, honestly what is it with the Brexit gang and spelling/grammar?!) of the Brexit campaign that there are no forecasts post Brexit (Did they? I'll take your word for it) and then produced some themselves?
 
sityeuropa said:
Can't believe there are so many people still wanting to cling onto a failing state.
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You have something there, in that the vote may well be irrelevant as I can see the EU as we know it shortly falling totally apart at the seams, but an exit vote may help bring the inevitable forward and allow more stability in the UK.

Every time I watch the TV the remain proponents seem to be saying we will, as individuals, lose money, should we leave. I am very happy to lose some money if immigration is able to be checked, long term. I *KNOW* immigration on the scale we are seeing right now will cost me money, one way or another. The schools in the UK are nearly full, doctors say they can't cope, either at the GP level or the A&E level, social services say they can't cope, so I can clearly see they will all want more funding if immigration rises still further.

We supposedly sent naval vessels to the Med to deter and stop people smuggling, yet every day these vessels seem to be helping illegal migrants, not hindering them.

The Pope putting his nose in to spite the EU's supposed clamp down on illegal migration by taking a token bunch back to the Vatican, seemingly as some sort of protest, doesn't help deter those thinking of illegally attempting entry to the EU. Anyway, doesn't the Vatican have enough of its own issues to address before interfering in Greece?
 
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Chris Wilson said:
Every time I watch the TV the remain proponents seem to be saying we will, as individuals, lose money, should we leave. I am very happy to lose some money if immigration is able to be checked, long term.
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How do you know it will be? Does anything about the handling of non-EU immigration, over which we have complete control, give you the impression it will be?

We supposedly sent naval vessels to the Med to deter and stop people smuggling, yet every day these vessels seem to be helping illegal migrants, not hindering them.
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It's an impossible situation though isn't it. What do you do? Let them all die at sea? These are non-EU migrants anyway - therefore under the scope of our non-EU migration policy. Leaving the EU won't stop people sailing across the Med.
 
[TW]Fox;29403171 said:
How is a contradiction? They said it's a flaw (not a floor, honestly what is it with the Brexit gang and spelling/grammar?!) of the Brexit campaign that there are no forecasts post Brexit (Did they? I'll take your word for it) and then produced some themselves?
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Lol, so I spelt flaw wrong, you missed out "it" in your opening sentence. What is it with the Bremain campaign focussing on stuff that just isn't important? :rolleyes:

My point is that they completely ignore anything that says Brexit could have a positive impact (like this) and produce their own forecasts that are so negative it brings their credibility into question. Tory MPs have already called the report "absurd, completely worthless" and "unfair and biased".

And this from the body that heavily defended taking us into the ERM, which was a complete disaster, and is proved wrong on about every forecast they put out there.
 
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