2nd Titan X madness at this stage?

[Freddie1980]

The price won't go down, they are only going up, a few months ago we had them sub £800 and now they are closer to £1000 and still selling out. There won't be any price nosediving on Titans, if anything they will go up, not down.

Tbf I think he was talking about 2nd hand values. As soon as Titan leaves your shelf its like a car leaving the forecourt and losses 100's of pounds because of the price of the 980ti and how close in performance they are.

 

[Kirby Wurm]

Only an idiot would buy a brand new Titan X at this point, first or second card. Surely second hand prices will plummet with the launch of the new cards. I'm not sure that Nvidia will price new cards below 980Ti gen if they are cheaper to manufacture, as Ti's are selling well why not milk more profit with them? They did it with the mid range GTX 680. A lot depends on AMD I suppose.

 

[Silent_Scone]

As above this time around the Titan X only has to its credit a name and more memory. Its not really in the same class as the mark one Titan, Titan Black and Titan Z

Unless your using Titans in SLI they are almost a complete waste of money as the card does not have enough GPU power on its own to need 12gb of memory and well clocked 980Ti's can match overclocked performance of a Titan X with half the memory and much less initial outlay price wise in most scenarios

I have to say that the tail end of 28nm graphics cards has been a terrible time for price cuts in existing lines.... just look at the prices even now for 970's still going for similar prices to Launch back in 2014!!!

Just looked at a Hexus review for a Gigabyte G1 that showed it was sold at launch for under £290. OCUK have it up for a penny under £300 (but no stock) nearly a year and a half later!

I have not known such price stagnation in the GPU market before

I'd love to see the data you're basing that on.

 

[iB CoMpL3XiTy]

I expect the price stagnation has a lot to do with the GBP being so weak, hasn't been this weak since 2010.
Plus nvidia have probably slowed down or stopped production of their current line up due to new cards being released soon.

 

[Kaapstad]

As above this time around the Titan X only has to its credit a name and more memory. Its not really in the same class as the mark one Titan, Titan Black and Titan Z

Unless your using Titans in SLI they are almost a complete waste of money as the card does not have enough GPU power on its own to need 12gb of memory and well clocked 980Ti's can match overclocked performance of a Titan X with half the memory and much less initial outlay price wise in most scenarios

I have to say that the tail end of 28nm graphics cards has been a terrible time for price cuts in existing lines.... just look at the prices even now for 970's still going for similar prices to Launch back in 2014!!!

Just looked at a Hexus review for a Gigabyte G1 that showed it was sold at launch for under £290. OCUK have it up for a penny under £300 (but no stock) nearly a year and a half later!

I have not known such price stagnation in the GPU market before

One of my reference TitanXs is capable of getting the better of an 82.7% ASIC Kingpin 980 Ti at high resolutions where the extra memory does count.

The funny part about it is the TitanX is cheaper than a 80%+ ASIC Kingpin lol.

 

[andicole0]

Yes.
The price will nosedive when Pascal comes out, so you lose a lot of £
If Pascal is better in DX12 and async compute, the Maxwell optimization for games will be on the second row as well

No it won't Pascal will be high and stay high.
Andi.

 

[Caracus2k]

One of my reference TitanXs is capable of getting the better of an 82.7% ASIC Kingpin 980 Ti at high resolutions where the extra memory does count.

The funny part about it is the TitanX is cheaper than a 80%+ ASIC Kingpin lol.

If you want to run unusual tests/ games that need 6gb +memory then I'm sure you can catch a Ti out when it runs out of memory. Perhaps I was slightly over egging it to say that a 980ti can match a Titan X in most scenarios but its so close as to make the Titan X look pretty redundant for none 'extreme' multi GPU configurations.

980ti - 'All the power of the Titan X for £550'

'Titan X performance at a fraction of the price'

Frankly trying to make a point with a Kingpin card is ridiculous. Its a very high priced card targeted at people that don't know better, have more money than sense or are hard core enthusiasts who will be utilising the massive potential of the card from the VRM layout etc.

Stock 980Ti's are considerably cheaper than stock Titan X's. You have to contrive some fairly elaborate scenarios where in a single card setup a Titan X is anything more than a few percentage points ahead of a 980ti and SLI performance is rubbish anyway (I should know)

Face it Kapp there's always going to be a bit of buyers regret when you shell out £££ for the full fat front running Titan before Nvidia bring out the 97% percentage performance card for 60 - 70% of the price

Paying top dollar for a new Titan X now is hard to justify

 

[Dave2150]

If you want to run unusual tests/ games that need 6gb +memory then I'm sure you can catch a Ti out when it runs out of memory. Perhaps I was slightly over egging it to say that a 980ti can match a Titan X in most scenarios but its so close as to make the Titan X look pretty redundant for none 'extreme' multi GPU configurations.

980ti - 'All the power of the Titan X for £550'

'Titan X performance at a fraction of the price'

Frankly trying to make a point with a Kingpin card is ridiculous. Its a very high priced card targeted at people that don't know better, have more money than sense or are hard core enthusiasts who will be utilising the massive potential of the card from the VRM layout etc.

Stock 980Ti's are considerably cheaper than stock Titan X's. You have to contrive some fairly elaborate scenarios where in a single card setup a Titan X is anything more than a few percentage points ahead of a 980ti and SLI performance is rubbish anyway (I should know)

Face it Kapp there's always going to be a bit of buyers regret when you shell out £££ for the full fat front running Titan before Nvidia bring out the 97% percentage performance card for 60 - 70% of the price

Paying top dollar for a new Titan X now is hard to justify

Your forgetting Kaap's ultra youthful eyes that are able to tell the difference between 4K 2xaa and 4k 8xaa That's the only circumstance that you'll go over 6GB vram with current games.

 

[Kaapstad]

If you want to run unusual tests/ games that need 6gb +memory then I'm sure you can catch a Ti out when it runs out of memory. Perhaps I was slightly over egging it to say that a 980ti can match a Titan X in most scenarios but its so close as to make the Titan X look pretty redundant for none 'extreme' multi GPU configurations.

980ti - 'All the power of the Titan X for £550'

'Titan X performance at a fraction of the price'

Frankly trying to make a point with a Kingpin card is ridiculous. Its a very high priced card targeted at people that don't know better, have more money than sense or are hard core enthusiasts who will be utilising the massive potential of the card from the VRM layout etc.

Stock 980Ti's are considerably cheaper than stock Titan X's. You have to contrive some fairly elaborate scenarios where in a single card setup a Titan X is anything more than a few percentage points ahead of a 980ti and SLI performance is rubbish anyway (I should know)

Face it Kapp there's always going to be a bit of buyers regret when you shell out £££ for the full fat front running Titan before Nvidia bring out the 97% percentage performance card for 60 - 70% of the price

Paying top dollar for a new Titan X now is hard to justify

TitanXs will outlive mid range Pascal/Polaris, 980 Ti's won't.

No buyers remorse here as I have absolutely no intension of selling my TXs or any of my other cards for that matter.

The point to my previous post was that for once the TX was the cheaper card beating the more expensive Kingpin card lol, you don't see that everyday.

As to buying TXs new nothing has changed, if you can find a situation where you can use the extra memory they are worth it otherwise look elsewhere.

 

[Kaapstad]

Your forgetting Kaap's ultra youthful eyes that are able to tell the difference between 4K 2xaa and 4k 8xaa That's the only circumstance that you'll go over 6GB vram with current games.

I did post some pics the other day comparing 4k and 8k using max settings in Shadow of Mordor and people had no problem telling the difference.

 

[Caracus2k]

TitanXs will outlive mid range Pascal/Polaris, 980 Ti's won't.

Your deluded if you think that 'mid range' Pascal is going to put much distance between itself and the 980ti. Given that a Titan X, unless your messing about with unusual settings, performs very comparably to a 980ti the same will be true for the Titan X.

Unless your running multi GPU setups the extra memory of the Titan X wont buy you much of that elusive 'futureproofing' because the GPU will run out of steam much in advance of you hitting the memory buffers.

The point to my previous post was that for once the TX was the cheaper card beating the more expensive Kingpin card lol, you don't see that everyday.

If that Kingpin 980ti is used in certain ways that it was designed to cope with it would show your stock Titan X a clean set of heels in certain scenarios. Like I said comparing an extreme outlier 980 ti to a stock Titan X is a silly comparison

 

[Kaapstad]

Your deluded if you think that 'mid range' Pascal is going to put much distance between itself and the 980ti. Given that a Titan X, unless your messing about with unusual settings, performs very comparably to a 980ti the same will be true for the Titan X.

Unless your running multi GPU setups the extra memory of the Titan X wont buy you much of that elusive 'futureproofing' because the GPU will run out of steam much in advance of you hitting the memory buffers.

The new Pascal/Polaris cards will have more memory than the 980 Ti simple, 8gb trumps 6gb.

As to the TitanXs the whole point in using them is in SLI setups so you can use the extra memory.

If that Kingpin 980ti is used in certain ways that it was designed to cope with it would show your stock Titan X a clean set of heels in certain scenarios. Like I said comparing an extreme outlier 980 ti to a stock Titan X is a silly comparison

If you are trying to tell me that the Kingpin is an extreme LN2 card I hate to tell you that it is not.

It is probably the best air cooled 980 Ti on the market and that is where a good part of the money goes, on the fancy copper cooler.

If the Kingpin was a LN2 card it would come with a pot fitted for that use.

The bottom line is the Kingpin like any other card requires modding for LN2 use.

 

[Dave2150]

I did post some pics the other day comparing 4k and 8k using max settings in Shadow of Mordor and people had no problem telling the difference.

Err, do you realize that what you replied has nothing to do with what you quoted?

Post up a video of mordor at 4k, and then at 4k 8xaa - you won't do this as you know no-one can tell the difference during actual gameplay.

 

[Kaapstad]

Err, do you realize that what you replied has nothing to do with what you quoted?

Post up a video of mordor at 4k, and then at 4k 8xaa - you won't do this as you know no-one can tell the difference during actual gameplay.

I have done it once and people could tell the difference and that is good enough for me, I am not going to post endless pics or videos.

 

[Caracus2k]

The new Pascal/Polaris cards will have more memory than the 980 Ti simple, 8gb trumps 6gb.

As to the TitanXs the whole point in using them is in SLI setups so you can use the extra memory.



If you are trying to tell me that the Kingpin is an extreme LN2 card I hate to tell you that it is not.

It is probably the best air cooled 980 Ti on the market and that is where a good part of the money goes, on the fancy copper cooler.

If the Kingpin was a LN2 card it would come with a pot fitted for that use.

The bottom line is the Kingpin like any other card requires modding for LN2 use.

The Kingpin has far more robust power delivery than a stock 980Ti has a binned GPU and EVGA certainly like to portray it as an extreme/ LN2 card from their own website

I have no doubt that this is (mostly) marketing guff and you are paying £££ for a fancy air cooler but the point remains that it is a pretty silly card to use for comparison when under air most 980ti's already overclock pretty well.

AMD 390's come with 8gb of memory... doesn't mean they beat 980ti's now does it! Pascal (and Polaris) will only perform awell as the GPU's put on the cards. Sure too little memory and your performance totally goes down the toilet but its naïve to expect that much more GPU grunt out of a first wave 'mid range' 14nm card over top end Maxwell. 980ti's already show that 6gb is a sufficient amount of memory for most situations given the available GPU power.

Graphics card memory allocation is often dictated by either the size of the memory bus or marketing

 

[abdidas]

The Kingpin has far more robust power delivery than a stock 980Ti has a binned GPU and EVGA certainly like to promote it as an extreme/ LN2 card from their own website

Every time you say Kingpin it reminds of the fat mob boss from Spiderman

 

[Kaapstad]

The Kingpin has far more robust power delivery than a stock 980Ti has a binned GPU and EVGA certainly like to portray it as an extreme/ LN2 card from their own website

I have no doubt that this is (mostly) marketing guff and you are paying £££ for a fancy air cooler but the point remains that it is a pretty silly card to use for comparison when under air most 980ti's already overclock pretty well.

AMD 390's come with 8gb of memory... doesn't mean they beat 980ti's now does it! Pascal (and Polaris) will only perform awell as the GPU's put on the cards. Sure too little memory and your performance totally goes down the toilet but its naïve to expect that much more GPU grunt out of a first wave 'mid range' 14nm card over top end Maxwell. 980ti's already show that 6gb is a sufficient amount of memory for most situations given the available GPU power.

Graphics card memory allocation is often dictated by either the size of the memory bus or marketing

For single card usage 6gb is enough, unfortunately you need more than a single card for 2160p and high settings.

I own both Kingpin 980 Ti's and TXs, the latter I find are better for gaming @2160p.

 

[One Vision]

Every time you say Kingpin it reminds of the fat mob boss from Spiderman

It reminds me of Woody Harrelson.