Channel 4 - What British Muslims Really Think

Freakbro said:
Nor did we not so long ago, after continuing our own dogma for hundreds (thousands) of years, but you know, cultures and societies evolve
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You've hit it on the head with this though. We didn't, but now we do. We evolved. We.
Muslims in this country should be part of that we. However they're not. They are they. They simply haven't integrated and absorbed our values. Which is precisely the point everyone in this thread is making.
 
SciNeT said:
I don't understand all this whining and moaning and bellyaching from some people, if the UK is so bad, why not just leave? There's plenty of Islamic countries dotted around the globe so it is very curious to stay in such an awful, oppressive country like the UK when paradise is just a plane ticket away? :confused:
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So in the youtube video she is basically saying she doesn't condemn terrorists?
 
oulton said:
So in the youtube video she is basically saying she doesn't condemn terrorists?
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Not even a hint of "not in my name" - plenty of "you're racist, chauvinist pigs that have done nothing for me as a Muslim woman raised in the UK" and roundabout blaming the west for Islamic fundamentalism though.

I'm really not sure if she's being controversial and ironic to get the publicity.
 
eldergeek said:
Not even a hint of "not in my name" - plenty of "you're racist, chauvinist pigs that have done nothing for me as a Muslim woman raised in the UK" and roundabout blaming the west for Islamic fundamentalism though.

I'm really not sure if she's being controversial and ironic to get the publicity.
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Indeed! It wound me up so much that she was seemingly playing the victim card, given far more important/pressing matters at hand, I felt compelled to post -
(currently second one down)
 
Jono said:
The sort of changes the people we're talking about here would force upon the rest of us given the chance are nothing like the ones you refer to with the afro Caribbeans.
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The Majority of Muslims aren't talking about any such things though most would just be happy with a little understanding and not being branded terrorists because they go to a Mosque instead of a Church!

I really can't believe the people seriously believe that labelling the religion a problem doesn't alienate a section of our society (which isn't going away no matter how hard you try) and promote the very fundamentalism that you speak against. If you make people feel hated, mistrusted and second class don't be surprised when they bite back history is littered with examples.

I also struggle to believe that people think integration is a one way thing of course it's not, the values of this country are not set in stone each and every culture that has come here has changed the way we are from the Romans in ancient history to the mass immigration post second world war from the commonwealth.
 
a1ex2001 said:
The Majority of Muslims aren't talking about any such things though most would just be happy with a little understanding and not being branded terrorists because they go to a Mosque instead of a Church!

I really can't believe the people seriously believe that labelling the religion a problem doesn't alienate a section of our society (which isn't going away no matter how hard you try) and promote the very fundamentalism that you speak against. If you make people feel hated, mistrusted and second class don't be surprised when they bite back history is littered with examples.

I also struggle to believe that people think integration is a one way thing of course it's not, the values of this country are not set in stone each and every culture that has come here has changed the way we are from the Romans in ancient history to the mass immigration post second world war from the commonwealth.
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Cultures came several centuries ago, we haven't been invaded for the most part since then.

Unless you admit we are being invaded now? :p

Regardless, the native population has every justification total at arms length from more cohesion with culture not of our own agreement.
 
The trouble is Islam doesn't offer us anything good. Almost every aspect of it is a backwards step.
 
Dis86 said:
The trouble is Islam doesn't offer us anything good. Almost every aspect of it is a backwards step.
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From you point of view, many others see a closely bonded community of generally hard working proud individuals that are brought together through faith (obviously there are exceptions as in every community).....much like the great British community that people seem so happy to harp on about.
 
a1ex2001 said:
From you point of view, many others see a closely bonded community of generally hard working proud individuals that are brought together through faith (obviously there are exceptions as in every community).....much like the great British community that people seem so happy to harp on about.
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I see it as a huge cult of brainwashed misogynists all following a war warmongering paedophile but that's just me, ignore whatever the book says.
 
Closing said:
I see it as a huge cult of brainwashed misogynists all following a war warmongering paedophile but that's just me, ignore whatever the book says.
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Says a man with probably no faith and a lack of tolerance and understanding for those with it, I'm sure you have read and understood the relevant text and then carried out practical research to ensure the validity of your findings?

I would love to hear your one sentence summation of other major religions or groups I'm sure they would be equally hilarious.
 
a1ex2001 said:
From you point of view, many others see a closely bonded community of generally hard working proud individuals that are brought together through faith (obviously there are exceptions as in every community).....much like the great British community that people seem so happy to harp on about.
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If their faith is the same sort of the religion. Sunnis apparently hate everyone, Shias don't seem that much better, and everyone hates the poor Ahmadi muslims - the ones that seem to integrate with the rest of us the best. Even the Muslim Council of Great Britain talks about them in a derogatory way.

Sure, muslim communities may be closely bonded, but to their own kind, it seems for the most part - everyone else including the majority of this country is excluded from that. Because anyone else is inferior because we don't believe in their sky fairy and his one messenger.
 
a1ex2001 said:
Says a man with probably no faith and a lack of tolerance and understanding for those with it, I'm sure you have read and understood the relevant text and then carried out practical research to ensure the validity of your findings?

I would love to hear your one sentence summation of other major religions or groups I'm sure they would be equally hilarious.
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Why should a man of no faith HAVE to understand those that have it? What if he just CAN'T?

We have Imams preaching hatred and encouraging violence in mosques all over the country (and some that aren't complete dicks, admittedly) - mostly somehow imported from Pakistan... Why the hell should anyone tolerate that? We shouldn't. At all.
 
a1ex2001 said:
Says a man with probably no faith and a lack of tolerance and understanding for those with it, I'm sure you have read and understood the relevant text and then carried out practical research to ensure the validity of your findings?

I would love to hear your one sentence summation of other major religions or groups I'm sure they would be equally hilarious.
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I've read and understand some of the texts of various religious writing and taking it literally (which is I assume is what you're supposed to do if you believe in something with no supporting evidence aka 'faith') it cannot be misinterpreted as anything other than misogynistic, sexist, paedophilic, barbaric etc. etc. etc.

Catch my drift? Oh but then you're not supposed to take any of it literally, you can cherry pick right?
 
Of course you can cherry pick, it is essentially a fairy tale for people to interpret. These books are full of fables and fantastical ideas.

Lol you dont believe in the stuff but you can dictate how people who do believe are meant to believe?

What ancient religion today has not seen changes in ideology or interpretation since its conception?
 
a1ex2001 said:
From you point of view, many others see a closely bonded community of generally hard working proud individuals that are brought together through faith (obviously there are exceptions as in every community).....much like the great British community that people seem so happy to harp on about.
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But what value is that if the ideals they are working towards achieving is incongruent with western values?
 
Judgeneo said:
Why can you cherry pick?
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Because people can and do?
The very fact that there are different sects of the same religion is proof of this.

I am agnostic, i care little for religion and it remains irrelevant in my life but that doesn't mean i can decide what other people believe whether i want them to believe it or not.
 
Avenged7Fold said:
Because people can and do?
The very fact that there are different sects of the same religion is proof of this.

I am agnostic, i care little for religion and it remains irrelevant in my life but that doesn't mean i can decide what other people believe whether i want them to believe it or not.
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I'm anti-theistic, and I know very well that people DO cherry pick, I was just questioning why people think this is a reasonable position to take.
 
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