UK to take 3,000 extra child refugees

scorza said:
I didn't :rolleyes:

I was asking (in an extremely facetious way I'll admit) what assurances do we have that these children really are children? There's been a massive increase in the number of unaccompanied children claiming asylum and that's partly because we just take their word that they really are children. My concern is that by bringing 3,000 children over we'll really be importing a significant number of fully grown adults who will get up to all sorts of things over here - including rape.
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Because rather than them turning up at our door, we are going to get some of the kids that have been left behind?

You know the real kids that are helpless and have been left behind?
 
Mynight said:
Maybe one of these kids will cure cancer.

I really don't see what the problem is. I'm sure they'll be scrutinised to prevent adults claiming to be children.
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No agency wants to be named under the headline "child refugee raped and beaten to death in reffuge camp after agency declared them not a child"
 
Mynight said:
Very true.

Also appears I was severely mistaken there's no real test to accurately age someone.
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Yup, that's part of the problem. You can estimate from certain things (teeth for example) but nothing is really conclusive. So basically if someone says they're 14 they are.
 
Diddums said:
the only way you'll ever understand how the world works is if your kids are taken away from you and put through some of life's atrocities.
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That's not going to happen because we haven't made the same disastrous social and religious mistakes as other countries,
so what you are saying is that we are morally responsible for every single country with a backward culture?

I'm not making a point about the current situation, but your decision making principals are naive.
 
Arazi said:
Ok, didn't you post in a thread on here saying you will take in refugees back when all the lefties where swinging from the roof tops with banners saying welcome all?

I can't prove it because i think the thread was deleted, i'm not sure and i cba either. You have no valid points.
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Yeah, he did.
 
almoststew1990 said:
Whilst I agree with the principle of this, using a bit of Top Gear maths we can bring this number down...

3,000 kids over 3 years (assuming it takes 6 months to implement) we will receive 1,000 kids per year.

The average size of a Syrian family moving to the UK is 7. Assume that that's 3 adults 4 children.

Out of our 1,000 kids, let's conservatively say that 1/4 of them have a sibling and 1/10 of them have two siblings. Let's also assume they will live together.

1/4 of 1,000 = 250.
1/10 of 1,000 = 100

so we need 650 new 'homes', per year.

Next, let's assume that these kids, in order to have survived in camp alone, are on the older end of the 'kid' spectrum. 17,.16, 15 years old etc. Let's assume that 1/10 of them are 17, 1/12 of them are 16 and 1/16 of them are 15.

At the end of year 1, out of the 1000 kids (across 650 homes), 100 of them are going to leave the foster system. So for year 2 we 'only' need to find 550 spaces (assuming that existing foster parents that have one sibling leaving a family are happy to replace him or her with another, from another family). The next year we will only need (650-[100+83]) 467 spaces.

So over the three years we will need 650 + 550 +467 spaces This is 1667 spaces in the system.

Obviously these are all massive assumptions. Also this assumes that Syrian children will leave foster care at 18 (no idea if this is how the system works). Anyone got any thoughts on these calculations? Or insight into how the system actually works / comments on my assumptions?
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Dont forget we need more schools aswell, as pretty much all schools are full up now.
 
Mynight said:
Very true.

Also appears I was severely mistaken there's no real test to accurately age someone.
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The problem here is surely in the definition.

The arbitrary age related distinction between adult and child is just that, arbitrary, and that makes it almost impossible to test independently.

If, on the other hand, we used a biological distinction that would be very easy to test reliably.

If His Balls have dropped, He is an adult!

If Her "Monthlies" have started, She is an adult!

Young adults in some cases, certainly! But NOT by any logical definition Children!
 
^ Yea.......No

The average age for girls to start periods is 12, the range is 8 - 15

I don't think a 12 year old can be classed as a young adult




Edit : In fact, even though wiki says there is no strict definition it does say it is generally classed as

A young adult is generally a person in the age range of 20 to 39
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_adult_(psychology)
 
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Freakbro said:
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_adult_(psychology)
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The Wiki article is simply reflecting the modern attitude, it is not a definition as such.

Up until barely more than 100 years ago (Late 19th century). My definition was pretty much what applied.

(Bare in mind that in the past Puberty generally occurred at a later stage in life than it does now)

The modern definition is political not biological.

There is no "Logical" argument for categorising a sexually mature individual of any species as an "Infant"
 
No doubt they will all be dumped in the North while the South tell us it's a good thing.

Ya know what would be a much better idea? Not bring any in and get our own house in order but hey, it doesn't look as good does it.
 
Orionaut said:
The Wiki article is simply reflecting the modern attitude, it is not a definition as such.

Up until barely more than 100 years ago (Late 19th century). My definition was pretty much what applied.
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So what do we use to categorise them now, the modern definition or one from 100 years ago?

Hmm....let's think about that one for 0.1 seconds :p

And to the OP, we are going to take 150 extra people a year....OMG, how are we ever going to fit them in......
 
Freakbro said:
So what do we use to categorise them now, the modern definition or one from 100 years ago?

Hmm....let's think about that one for 0.1 seconds :p
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Age of consent in Syria is 15 unless you are in an IS controlled area when it's probably 6 or something so, it differs.
 
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