German shepherd pinned my collie to the floor

dowie said:
because the result of them flipping out it much more severe
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Any medium to large size dog could fatally wound. They only thing slightly correct about your presumption is a pit bulls lock jaw but that's no reason to ban the breed imho.

I'd much rather be attacked by a bull terrier or something than a big old malamute or an Alsasian.

Yes any dog can have potential to flip out even with the best training which is why a license should be needed to assure the owner is more than capable of controlling there let in that situation. After all they are animals.

But just because the pose a bigger threat than say a pug doesn't mean it should be banned. Ownership just needs to be controlled.
 
d_brennen said:
Why is it that more or less every owner of a "dangerous" animal I've come across has been a complete mouth breathing pleb?
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nah you get some as regular family pets, usually with completely naive owners who won't even acknowledge the possibility that their beloved pet could ever be dangerous as he is sooo affectionate with them


they're also the most common breed in rescue centres

Dogs should be licensed, chipped and spayed/neutered. Breeders should be licensed. People who demonstrate they can't be trusted with dogs should be banned from owning them.
 
Snookums said:
Any medium to large size dog could fatally wound. They only thing slightly correct about your presumption is a pit bulls lock jaw but that's no reason to ban the breed imho.
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'They only thing slightly correct' LOL it was a one line statement and it was correct... nothing 'slightly' about it, I didn't even mention locked jaws
 
I've heard the best way to stop a dog attacking someone or something else is if it's wearing a collar put your hand between the collar and the back of its neck and twist it as hard as you can, it'll choke the dog out pretty quickly. Obviously you can do it until it stops, or knock it out. Hitting a dog in the head won't do anything.

You can also try lifting its back legs up in the air and it should let go instinctively straight away, but be prepared to get attacked yourself.
 
dowie said:
nah you get some as regular family pets, usually with completely naive owners who won't even acknowledge the possibility that their beloved pet could ever be dangerous as he is sooo affectionate with them


they're also the most common breed in rescue centres

Dogs should be licensed, chipped and spayed/neutered. Breeders should be licensed. People who demonstrate they can't be trusted with dogs should be banned from owning them.
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The reason the breeds you deem as dangerous are majorly SEEN to be owned by plebs is because of the fighting done with them makes them seem more aggressive and viscous than they actually are.

Then they patrol the streets with them without a lead and use them as aggressive dog/figure

The reason they are so common is because it's these plebs that get them for status realise they can't handle them and abandon them.

Whilst I agree with your licensing view and chipping I don't think it should be a legal requirement to neuter a dog.

You can't ban a breed because there is idiots in the world that mistreat them.
 
dowie said:
'They only thing slightly correct' LOL it was a one line statement and it was correct... nothing 'slightly' about it, I didn't even mention locked jaws
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Yes it was a one line statement but it covered and entire array of dogs. You stated they all are more dangerous. They are not. The only one with a slight danger edge is a pitbull because of its lockjaw but that's no reason to ban them beachside stupid owners can treat them correctly or control them.

You may not have mentioned lockjaw but it was the only differing factor that came under your branch of "dangerous"
 
Snookums said:
Yes it was a one line statement but it covered and entire array of dogs. You stated they all are more dangerous. They are not. The only one with a slight danger edge is a pitbull because of its lockjaw but that's no reason to ban them beachside stupid owners can treat them correctly or control them.

You may not have mentioned lockjaw but it was the only differing factor that came under your branch of "dangerous"
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you're pretty naive, lock jaw is a myth

bull terriers have powerful jaws, they do more damage than other breeds - that is simple fact
 
http://www.dogsbite.org/dogsbite-newsroom-2009-dogsbite-three-year-fatality-study.php

Of the 88 fatal dog attacks recorded by DogsBite.org, pit bull type dogs were responsible for 59% (52). This is equivalent to a pit bull killing a U.S. citizen every 21 days during this 3-year period. The data also shows that pit bulls commit the vast majority of off-property attacks that result in death. Only 18% (16) of the attacks occurred off owner property, yet pit bulls were responsible for 81% (13).
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in the US a 'pit bull' is any of: American Pit Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier and Staffordshire Bull Terrier

in the UK we've currently got some ineffective legislation that allows for staffies but sort of doesn't if they're too muscular etc..
 
dowie said:
you're pretty naive, lock jaw is a myth

bull terriers have powerful jaws, they do more damage than other breeds - that is simple fact
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We've heavily derailed the thread. The poor guys dog got attacked and we bickering over whether we should ban certain animals. Let's agree to disagree and both agree on the fact a license should be required.
 
Evian said:
As a German Shepherd owner I know how fast and strong they are, they also weigh a ton, If your dog was anything smaller it probably would have killed it, How did it let go?

Was the german shepherd owner not using a lead for his dog, I'm guessing it was a chav type of person?
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I told the owner to *********** get his dog off him or he, the owner would be receiving the same treatment. It was either that or try to think of some way of killing his dog, despite the fact, out of desperation,I had kicked it twice. :(

His dog has attacked other dogs before. In all fairness to the owner though, it looked like he just opened his gate (which backs on to the field I was in) and his dog rushed out with him following some five or four seconds behind. By then the shepherd had already got my border collie pinned to the floor.

It's becoming a nightmare with some of these dog owners. There's two Rottweilers across on the other estate. One that's left in a small courtyard in front of a terraced house that the owner locks outside that keeps having a go at passers by and another whom the owner can't control (even when its on a lead) that is simply quite nasty and vicious to people. It's got to the point that whenever I see either of these I just go a different way.
 
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Snookums said:
Yes any dog can have potential to flip out even with the best training which is why a license should be needed to assure the owner is more than capable of controlling there let in that situation. After all they are animals.

But just because the pose a bigger threat than say a pug doesn't mean it should be banned. Ownership just needs to be controlled.
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I think this probably makes makes sense and seems reasonable.
 
This thread reminds me of a crazy dog from down my road. Not a dog expert so don't know what type it is sorry.

It goes for walks by itself at night, and a couple of times when I was coming home late from work it would start barking at me from across the road as I was walking. I would speed up a little bit and it would then start running after me :eek: I then stop and turn around and make a loud noise and it stops and just stands on its back 2 legs barking away. As soon as I start moving again it would start following me. It did this a couple of times and I luckily managed to get to my door before it got close enough to find out what it was planning to do.

Anyway one night I was going home late same away and I totally forgot about the dog...and I had earphones in, listening to music. As I'm walking I felt something touch my leg and I look down and I see the same dog biting my leg :eek: :eek: :eek:

This game me a real scare as it was totally unexpected as I didn't hear it coming, just saw it there. Off course I swung my other leg and would have happily smacked it round the head but it moved away... I ran as quickly as I could a few more doors down till I was home...it did the usual thing of following me barking away.

I don't think it was a 'proper' bite as in it didn't sink its teeth in or anything like that, maybe it was just to get my attention, I am sure if it wanted to really hurt me it could have. Either way the dog is crazy!
 
Awful incident OP....and very lucky.

I remember one event from my childhood, I was walking through a park with my uncle ( I was about 9) and his family dog (Jack Russell). He was leaded etc and although he was very yappy (all terriers are it seems) he was under control.

In the distance there was a German Shepherd running around playing fetch with its owner. The German Shepherd saw Tuffnell (name of the Jack Russell) and ran over and attacked him. I remember at the time thinking he was going to come over and play, but he literally came over and grabbed Tuffnell in his jaws and started shaking him.

My uncle was a mechanic, and he had a screwdriver on him (well this is his version!:eek:) and took it out and stabbed the German Shepherd twice in its side with the screwdriver. The dog hit the floor.

On cue....one German Shepherd owner who did not see what my uncle did came over wondering why his dog was lying on the ground not moving.

As far as I can remember, the German Shepherd went to the vets and later died.

It seems brutal what my uncle did, but as a dog owner now of two very small toy dogs, if anything similar happened to mine, and I had a screwdriver on me, I would not hesitate to use it. I am not sure if that makes me some cold hearted dog killer, or someone just using extreme (perhaps over extreme) force to porotect my dogs.

In the case of Tuffnell he was fine after the event, a little bloody, but he overcame it and lived on for another 8 years. One thing is for sure though, if my uncle has not intervened that German Shepherd would have killed him.
 
Yeah this worries me a lot. I have a very small dog. The park I walk him on usually has some very large dogs. I honestly do not know what I'd do of one attacked. Like you did, I'd probably be kicking the hell out of the other dog no matter what. Horrible situation to deal with.
 
If the attacking dog has a collar one way you can get them off, if you can get close, is grab their collar and twist it which will choke them. My dad did this to a dog that'd got hold of a cat. It dropped it pretty quick once if couldn't breath.

Sorry to hear your dog got attacked, and as much as it'd be not nice for the dogs and responsible owners just make all dogs wear muzzles whilst in public then nothing could get bitten.
 
I'm really surprised by this as I grew up around German Shepherds, we owned 2 ourselves and my Aunty owned several, I never experienced them being aggressive towards other Dogs or people. I once saw our Male German Shepherd growl at another Dog who was sniffing around our older female mixed breed Labrador type, but that's literally the only time he even growled at another Dog.

It's clearly a case of people not treating their Dogs properly, it's just a shame that often times the Dog gets punished instead of the owner.
 
Roar87 said:
I'm really surprised by this as I grew up around German Shepherds, we owned 2 ourselves and my Aunty owned several, I never experienced them being aggressive towards other Dogs or people. I once saw our Male German Shepherd growl at another Dog who was sniffing around our older female mixed breed Labrador type, but that's literally the only time he even growled at another Dog.

It's clearly a case of people not treating their Dogs properly, it's just a shame that often times the Dog gets punished instead of the owner.
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Exactly. My cousin had her ear ripped off by a German Shepherd when she was 3. It was very badly treated by its owner. A long story as to how it happened but my father saw the dog playing vigorously with a doll and then realised it was my cousin in its mouth. He had to kick the dog a dozen times to get it to let go. I still remember the blood in our house, she was lucky to survive.

There are only bad owners.
 
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