Praise Allah to be on British buses

Safetytrousers said:
In what way was Malevolence not citing terrorism? You came to his defence.
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I think we've got our wires cross, I can't even view that picture as I'm at work and I didn't realise he was responding to that directly

stewski said:
We'll the old testament is pretty wacky too, I'm no fan of skyfaries, I've yet to see a religion without some serious short comings.
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You'd have to realistically say though that countries like Saudi Arabia, Iran, Pakistan, and Afghanistan are more extreme than countries of any other Religion. There's no Christian country or indeed country of any other Religion with laws that are that extreme
 
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I think there needs to be a poll mods.
How do you feel about religious advertising on busses?
A: I'm annoyed
B: couldn't care less
C: pancakes
 
Safetytrousers said:
'a cult is a religious or social group with socially deviant or novel beliefs and practices.'
I think you need to understand a little harder.
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That's a sociological definition. The dictionary definition is more encompassing;

1.
a system of religious veneration and devotion directed towards a particular figure or object.
"the cult of St Olaf"
2.
a person or thing that is popular or fashionable among a particular group or section of society.
"the series has become a bit of a cult in the UK"
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Safetytrousers said:
'a cult is a religious or social group with socially deviant or novel beliefs and practices.'
I think you need to understand a little harder.
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Really, you must be using a **** dictionary, because the OED says:-

1. The action or an act of paying reverential homage to a divine being; religious worship.

2. A particular form or system of religious worship or veneration, esp. as expressed in ceremony or ritual directed towards a specified figure or object.

3. A collective obsession with or intense admiration for a particular person, thing, or idea.
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Miriam Webster:

Simple Definition of cult
: a small religious group that is not part of a larger and more accepted religion and that has beliefs regarded by many people as extreme or dangerous

How you use words has importance. The use of the word cult to describe a major world religion is pejorative and insulting.
 
Safetytrousers said:
Miriam Webster:

Simple Definition of cult
: a small religious group that is not part of a larger and more accepted religion and that has beliefs regarded by many people as extreme or dangerous

How you use words has importance. The use of the word cult to describe a major world religion is pejorative and insulting.
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From the same website (Last I checked we were English not American English but OK);

Full Definition of cult

1
: formal religious veneration : worship

2
: a system of religious beliefs and ritual; also : its body of adherents

3
: a religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious; also : its body of adherents

4
: a system for the cure of disease based on dogma set forth by its promulgator

5
a : great devotion to a person, idea, object, movement, or work (as a film or book);
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Don't cherry pick from the "simple definitions" to try and back your point lol.

Just because a word has negative connotations for some doesn't change its defined meaning.
 
Roar87 said:
HSBC apparently closed all their accounts due to potential links with Terrorists, so slightly concerning yes
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yeah right, they help international crime gangs, dictators etc clean their money.

If there was such a link it would be the law AND the charity commission taking action, not HSBC.

HSBC has been shutting accounts of various muslim groups, mosques. because they are a private service and they're not a public service they do not need to give a reason for this.

Most likely they weren't happy with the fact that the account is just used for inward transfer and the money is immediately spent/withdrawn etc and the bank cant make any interest on the deposits.
 
This is a disgrace! Adverts on buses should be reserved for the US corporations, tax-avoiding multi-nationals, child labour using tech companies and anti-environmental lobbyists we're used to!
 
Mynight said:
Just because a word has negative connotations for some doesn't change its defined meaning.
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The word cult was used to express disdain.
Cult is not the normal thing to call a major world religion. Christianity is not widely thought of as a cult, and by equal token neither is Islam.
If you were asked in a quiz what Christianity or Islam were for £1000 you would most likely say they are religions. I don't think your answer would be cult.
Anywhere you will see a objective definition of Christianity, Islam etc. it will say they are a religion. It will not say Christianity/Islam is a cult. The words 'religion' and 'cult' are not freely interchangeable.

Your argument reminds me of the Sex Pistols case where ''Mortimer produced expert witnesses who were able to successfully demonstrate that the word "********" was not obscene, and was actually a legitimate Old English term originally used to refer to a priest'', when very clearly it had been used to mean exactly what it sounded like.
 
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Roar87 said:
You'd have to realistically say though that countries like Saudi Arabia, Iran, Pakistan, and Afghanistan are more extreme than countries of any other Religion. There's no Christian country or indeed country of any other Religion with laws that are that extreme
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I'm far from well travelled but I wouldn't be surprised to find in parts of Africa "Christian" states that correlate to the Middle East in what I would call backwards behaviour re laws, that said Correlation <> Causation.

In the west we have had a bloody history linking state and Church. I think it's fair to suggest The Middle East has a long way to go, to move away from the human rights abuses, that were common in Europe a few hundred years ago.

For me that doesn't change my personal experience of British Muslims.
 
Golf1.6 said:
yeah right, they help international crime gangs, dictators etc clean their money.

If there was such a link it would be the law AND the charity commission taking action, not HSBC.

HSBC has been shutting accounts of various muslim groups, mosques. because they are a private service and they're not a public service they do not need to give a reason for this.

Most likely they weren't happy with the fact that the account is just used for inward transfer and the money is immediately spent/withdrawn etc and the bank cant make any interest on the deposits.
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Yeah I think the FOS might take issue if they were doing that, it's most likely due to potential money laundering issues which could be related to terrorism, though it obviously doesn't mean they actually are
 
Roar87 said:
Yeah I think the FOS might take issue if they were doing that, it's most likely due to potential money laundering issues which could be related to terrorism, though it obviously doesn't mean they actually are
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Actually if it's due to potential terrorism related activity, I'd think GCHQ would be involved and we wouldn't know anything about it. The more likely claim was made, that since they avoid interest/long term deposits, in all probability they were not profitable enough accounts to warrant keeping them.
 
stewski said:
Actually if it's due to potential terrorism related activity, I'd think GCHQ would be involved and we wouldn't know anything about it. The more likely claim was made, that since they avoid interest/long term deposits, in all probability they were not profitable enough accounts to warrant keeping them.
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Do you actually have first hand experience with that kind of thing? I work for a bank and as far as I know we don't close customers accounts because they aren't profitable, the Financial Ombudsman would jump down our throat if we did.

Money Laundering can be related to terrorism, so that would explain why it's being reported that they had their accounts closed due to potential terror links. Unless you think that's just something that's been made up?
 
I think it's great! Hopefully the absence of tinfoil hat wearing folk means more space on the bus at rush hour :)
 
uber soldat said:
Would a Muslim country allow "praise our christian god" on the side of their buses? No they wouldn't so in the name of equality id have to say no.
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Yes, you're absolutely right, we should be more like Islamic countries and follow their glorious example.
 
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