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All this talk of x2 x3 perfromance figures on the new Pascals, all this arguing on all the threads I am reading. 1080 beats 2 x 980, 1080 therefore must beat a 980ti.

Apples vs Pears

Some of us have very short memories on previous releases by AMD and nVidia and the disappointments when the real bench marks were done.

Some things that are being missed out of conversations and the arguments in the threads are

1. In all of the nVidia presentation graphs the distinct lack of 980ti comparisons. Why, to make things look better perhaps ?
2. VR performance mixed in with none VR performance due to Single Pass Stereo VR so inflating the figures. Maybe why a 1080 is better than 980 SLI : Was done deliberately?.
3. No information on what was tested and how or what over clocks if any where used. Again deliberate ?
4. Selected performance figures as per sales patter to drive hype. Standard sales pitching per chance ?
5. Will the new technologies (Multi View Port / Single Pass Stereo) work out of the box with any game or does the game need coding for it. Again nothing said for a reason? If i was that good and worked out of the box, why not say so?

Please remember that the nVidia presentation was a sales pitch with selected figures and quotes to make something look amazing and many people are being taken for a ride going along with the sales hype.

Obviously we have no "proper" information until real testers get their hands on the cards and do proper benches.

but

I urge you to remember this is sales hype and what on average is the % gain from one generation of a card to another in the past and the disappointment when it actual hits our rigs.

I am excited too about getting a new card to replace my 980 for VR, but I am also realistic.
 
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The fact that they said a 1080 will beat 980 sli tells me the performance is equal to a 980ti oc as some of those highly oc ones like the g1 can do this. It just sounds more impressive to say >980sli than =980ti oc.
 
Don't know why are there no examples or no actual numbers, I mean if the 1080 really just beats every other card like he keeps saying, why not show some bar graphs or examples of a 1080 easily beating a 980 SLI or titan X etc. Why is there an hour of talking, and 1 tiny confusing graph compared to a single 980.... that is the only actual evidence in the presentation, other than "it is insane, insane etc etc etc" there is no evidence for 1 hour, but we will have wait for reviews. Also he says "all these games were above 60fps all the time at max settings" well I think you can do that on a 980ti or TX as well probably at 1080p, but he does not say so I assume he means 1080p.
 
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I don;t think anyone has short term memories, we all know how what AMD and NVidia claim matches up to real world benchmarks.

At the end end of the day we have a new architecture on a new process and a long historic data-set to show what real world improvements we can expect. Nvidia have effectively claimed we have the same generational jump in performance, with the exception of VR where some specific optimization might see a 70% performance gain.
 
It is all selected figures for high edge cases used against low edge cases.

For example, might this be true ?

Sales world

A 1080 used in a specially coded VR app for Single Pass Stereo beats a SLI 980 that is not coded for even with SLI code.

Real World

Elite Dangerous with no single pass stereo code on a single 1080 vs single 980

Sales guys do this regular and quote it, but this is not the real world.
 
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Don't know it certainly does look dodgy the way there are no actual numbers, I mean if the 1080 really just beats every other card like he keeps saying, why not show some bar graphs or examples of a 1080 easily beating a 980 SLI or titan X etc. Why is there an hour of talking, and 1 tiny confusing graph compared to a single 980.... that is the only actual evidence in the presentation, other than "it is insane, insane etc etc etc" certainly looks a bit dodgy to me how there is no evidence for 1 hour, but we will have wait for reviews. Also he says "all these games were above 60fps all the time at max settings" well I think you can do that on a 980ti or TX as well probably at 1080p, but he does not say so I assume he means 1080p.
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Just wait unitl th1 7th.


The problem if Nvidia gives detailed graphs then you still can't ever trust them so pointlessness. Look at AMD's PR stunt with the FuryX showing it handily beating the 980Ti in every game. People don't trust such numbers, or at least they shouldn't, so in light of that some vague performance measures are just as reliable and make for much better headlines. it is also much easier for the general public to be told that the $379 1070 is as fast as that mythical TitanX that they could only dream about affording. Explain that a 1070 get 82.4FPS and a TX 78.4FPS in a certain game doesn't mean a lot to most people, especially if they have some old 670 card and don't own that particular game then they can't make any kind of internal comparison.
 
The marketing hype will no doubt suck in plenty of fanboys who will not even wait for the reviews before buying or will be happy with a 20-30% increase over a stock 980ti.

What gets me the most is that Nvidia didn't even show anything running at higher than 1080P. Even the Doom Vulkan demo shows the game at 1080P. Their top end card and not even a 1440P/4K demo? There wasn't much mention of DX12 either.
I guess NV know how to get their fans hyped up by simply saying stuff like twice as fast as TitanX, etc even though the slides don't show anything related to a TitanX/980ti.
 
They are very good at hyping though, I watched the presentation last night and it still made me want one, but then looking at the specs it does not look like much more than a higher clocked and tweaked 980, but I will wait for the actual reviews. I wonder if the billons of research and years of research etc. they were saying about, actually includes all the research they did on maxwell as well.
 
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D.P. said:
I don;t think anyone has short term memories, we all know how what AMD and NVidia claim matches up to real world benchmarks.

At the end end of the day we have a new architecture on a new process and a long historic data-set to show what real world improvements we can expect. Nvidia have effectively claimed we have the same generational jump in performance, with the exception of VR where some specific optimization might see a 70% performance gain.
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Yep.

Cards like 9700pro and 8800gtx are rare. 20-30% faster than reference design is the norm. If I'm wrong Il buy everyone a 1080 on this forum.
 
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Yep.

Cards like 9700pro and 8800gtx are rare. 20-30% faster than reference design is the norm. If I'm wrong Il buy everyone a 1080 on this forum.
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Yup this is what I was getting at. Go by history and the % gains from AMD and nVidia between generations and that is probably what we will get.

For VR with single pass stereo maybe more if the game is coded to use the new single pass stereo which of course many will not be and not the headline of what the sales guys says.
 
This is why I'm waiting for reviews, I never believe in what AMD and Nvidia claims.

Everyone is just impatient for a new card though :p.
 
NirK said:
Why is there an hour of talking, and 1 tiny confusing graph compared to a single 980.... that is the only actual evidence in the presentation
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Though a lot of people seem to have missed them or incorrectly ascribed some of it to VR when it clearly has VR separately on the slide there are actually 3 slides in there showing game relevant non-VR performance - though none of it is very clear. All of which show the 1080 as being around 60-70% faster than the GTX980 and around 28-33% faster than the 980ti.

As above though it is worth waiting for reviews before deciding anything too definite on performance in a wider range of games.
 
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Though a lot of people seem to have missed them or incorrectly ascribed some of it to VR when it clearly has VR separately on the slide there are actually 3 slides in there showing game relevant non-VR performance - though none of it is very clear. All of which show the 1080 as being around 60-70% faster than the GTX980 and around 28-33% faster than the 980ti.

As above though it is worth waiting for reviews before deciding anything too definite on performance in a wider range of games.
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What did the 3 slides say? Some of the time I just had it on headphones and was doing something else.

But I remember it was first "faster than 980 SLI" then "faster than titan X" then "FASTER THAN TWO TITAN XXXXX" I am surprised he did not say like in austin powers "faster than 1 biilllliooonn titan xxxx"
 
Well basically what I said :P they showed graphs or performance indices that while not particularly clear give a general pointer.
 
Yeh does look good and everything, just saying the presentation, I would have preferred if they showed more actual information, but I guess the point of that was to hype the 1080 and then we will see the numbers in the reviews.
 
I personally have had 980 SLI and I then moved over to a single 980 Ti beacuase I was tired of SLI and the problems that go along with it.

The 980 SLI easily beats a 980 Ti by almost the same margin as 980 Ti beats a 980 in the games I was playing. 980 SLI fluidity in the right game trounces a 980 Ti (even at with the GPU @ 1500MHz), but the 980 Ti is more than healthy enough and makes a single 980 seem slow.

So if a 1080 GTX is = 980 SLI then the 1080 GTX is going to be about 50% ontop of a 980 Ti.

If the comments are true that a 1080 = 980 SLI and some, then I am very excited about it especially since it only uses a fraction of the power and I want to get back to that 980 SLI performance with extra.
 
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