Praise Allah to be on British buses

[muon]

lol that you think it's not propaganda

It's advertising, I'll grant you that.

As for propaganda, what is the message? Is the message negative in anyway?

I'm sure when the decision was made to put adverts on buses, the charity thought about the publicity it was likely to get. However, that's only because people like you make a big deal about it.

Now people will be very aware of the charity itself. I imagine they will get quite a lot of donations from British Muslims who may not have otherwise known about them. Maybe even non-muslims, although that clearly isn't their target demographic.

 

[muon]

Not my idea - nobody's going to be recruiting me, but the terrorists use it for recruitment yeah for sure, it's clearly very effective.

Oh, is that what this is now.

Subhanallah is a very common phrase amongst Muslims. There is no association of it with anything else amongst muslims.

Another good example is this

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Standard#Jihadist_black_flag

the phrase on it is the declaration of faith amongst muslims. You will struggle to find a single muslim who does not know it. It is the first pillar of Islam. It may be used by many organisations, but it will first and foremost always be the first pillar of islam and the first thing any muslim learns.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shahada#Recitation

edit:

On the latter example, I can understand how the exact style of lettering and colours chosen can only really mean one thing, and a such it isn't welcome in a lot of places.

 

[estebanrey]

BNP don't threaten to blow me up.

Nor are the makers of that advert...what's your point again?

 

[asim18]

Not my idea - nobody's going to be recruiting me, but the terrorists use it for recruitment yeah for sure, it's clearly very effective.

So now you're saying that some guy who happens to understand Arabic and isn't even a Muslim is suddenly going to get the urge to blow himself up if he reads those magic words?



Please explain the exact processes by which one reading the line "God is great", whether in undecipherable form or not, is a "very effective" recruitment medium for terrorist activity.

According to YOUR logic, with the amount of Muslims in the world who have heard that line I'm surprised they're not extinct lmao, I would have thought they'd have all blown themselves up by now, no???

 

[Randomface74]

Didn't realise we were at war with Islam as a whole.

Don't you see the difference?

Imagine all terrorists started using Christianity for recruitment instead.
It would be a problem if we let them put that propaganda in our cities.
We would get more terrorism.

So if we want to stop terrorism we have to start fighting back.

In real life it happens to be innocent muslims caught in the crossfire, but it could easily have been someone else.

 

[Randomface74]

We can't not fight terrorism because muslims get offended, is really what I'm saying.

 

[muon]

Don't you see the difference?

Imagine all terrorists started using Christianity for recruitment instead.
It would be a problem if we let them put that propaganda in our cities.
We would get more terrorism.

So if we want to stop terrorism we have to start fighting back.

In real life it happens to be innocent muslims caught in the crossfire, but it could easily have been someone else.

So your plan is to remove all visibility of Islam to to fight terrorism.

First of all, that is completely unachievable and secondly completely against the freedom to express ones religion.

We can't not fight terrorism because muslims get offended, is really what I'm saying.

What has this got to do with fighting terrorism?

Also any action needs the benefits and adverse impacts carefully weighed against each other as well as the consideration of fundamental rights given to every UK citizen/resident.

 

[Mynight]

Don't you see the difference?

/snip

Honestly I am at a complete loss.

 

[asim18]

We can't not fight terrorism because muslims get offended, is really what I'm saying.

Ok so please explain the exact process by which a Muslim not getting offended is suddenly going to make some terrorist hell bent on blowing himself to smithereens suddenly say "oh wait a minute, that Muslim isn't offended, so I'm not going to blow myself up now".

Please explain the cause and effect of how a Muslim not getting offended is somehow going to suddenly stop some terrorist being suicidal and explosive.

 

[danielanthony]

And this is why we will get a UK Donald Trump character in the near future, cultural diversity going too far and thus encouraging extremist behaviour by those marginalised by being lazily labelled as racists and BNP supporters.

Just my reading of the situation.

 

[Randomface74]

But as the UK is a multicultural and diverse county this comment is invalid.

Look up the constitution - the UK is a Christian country, there's no debating it, it's the foundation of our legal system.

 

[muon]

Look up the constitution - the UK is a Christian country, there's no debating it, it's the foundation of our legal system.

Taking your premise as fact for a second:

So no other religions allowed?

What is your point exactly?

 

[Randomface74]

So your plan is to remove all visibility of Islam to to fight terrorism.

Yeah that's one of the things I think we should do.

 

[muon]

Yeah that's one of the things I think we should do.

So you would change some of the oldest laws in this country to do that?

Changes which will make the UK more aligned with fascism of old?

 

[Randomface74]

Taking your premise as fact for a second:
So no other religions allowed?
What is your point exactly?

Just countering the point that the UK is a 'multicultural society' - it isn't. We don't HAVE to treat all religions equally.

Note.. I'm not Christian, so I'm talking about myself too.

 

[muon]

Just countering the point that the UK is a 'multicultural society' - it isn't. We don't HAVE to treat all religions equally.

Note.. I'm not Christian, so I'm talking about myself too.

When it comes to what private individuals can and can't do, then yes we do.

When it comes to the state, any notional religious history, does not trump it's current obligation to serve all UK citizens/residents in an equal/fair manner

 

[Randomface74]

And this is why we will get a UK Donald Trump character in the near future, cultural diversity going too far and thus encouraging extremist behaviour by those marginalised by being lazily labelled as racists and BNP supporters.

Just my reading of the situation.

Yeah basically. I want people to look at the situation - there are terrorists from ISIS, who are muslims, coming to this country and others, with an intent to kill as many people as possible. We need to do something about it. But we're too busy calling each other racist. It makes us look weak.

 

[muon]

Yeah basically. I want people to look at the situation - there are terrorists from ISIS, who are muslims, coming to this country and others, with an intent to kill as many people as possible. We need to do something about it. But we're too busy calling each other racist. It makes us look weak.

You think stopping this charity advert, trying to raise money for good causes, will help in any manner?

You believe there will be a benefit by taking such an action, enough of which to justify suspending freedom of religion and expression in this country?

 

[Randomface74]

When it comes to what private individuals can and can't do, then yes we do.

When it comes to the state, any notional religious history, does not trump it's current obligation to serve all UK citizens/residents in an equal/fair manner

It's not a private matter, do whatever you want in your own home.

 

[Randomface74]

You think stopping this charity advert, trying to raise money for good causes, will help in any manner?

You believe there will be a benefit by taking such an action, enough of which to justify suspending freedom of religion and expression in this country?

As for whether a few bus adverts really makes a difference - it'll be a small difference. But I do think we need to follow this track and take it MUCH further, maybe not as far as banning all muslims, but something closer to that than just banning bus adverts.