It's not fair on parents, flights alone, for instance, cost 4 times as much during School Holidays compared to literally a couple of days after the School Holidays. Why is that? How is that fair? It's not, that's where the problem is - that's what needs addressing, I've no idea how it could be fixed or even if it's possible but that's why parents are taking their kids out of school on Holidays, the root of the problem needs addressing more than anything imo.
High Court Ruling on School Holidays
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Of course it's fair - it's not like they are pushing the price of bread or water up by 4x is it? People keep speaking like a vacation is some kind of human right.
If a flight is too expensive during school holidays - then here's a radical idea - don't go on vacation to somewhere you need to fly to!
But if I want to go on holiday to Cornwall a week after the School Holidays start it's still going to be hundreds of pounds dearer than if I were to take my kids the very week before the School Holidays start, flights were just an example but it's applicable to everything else connected to having a Holiday during term time or not, everything is more expensive the very week your kids break up from school until the day before they go back to School. That, quite frankly, is not fair, and it's the cause of this problem.
And I think that having a Holiday is very much a human right!
Speaking as a teacher...
Probably the right decision tbh. As long as parents are sensible and avoid removing students during exam study etc I don't really see the problem. Any decent scheme of work will have some feedback and improvement time where students can catch up.
Probably the right decision tbh. As long as parents are sensible and avoid removing students during exam study etc I don't really see the problem. Any decent scheme of work will have some feedback and improvement time where students can catch up.
Vacation? I didn't realise we were in America.
You are so incorrect it's funny! Gave me a good giggle anyway so thankyou
Yes unless your minister for education your about as qualified as me.....just saying.
Unless your a teacher in which case you think you know...
My wife is a TA, who has to help catch up children from any absence, usually it's illness, but also from parents removing the children for a cheap holiday.
Being honest, she says most of the time a few days at the end or start of term isn't such a big deal, but there are definitely times it makes a difference, if a child misses something a bit more crucial she has to dedicate a lot of time to pretty much teaching them what they missed, and that detracts from the support she can then give to other children.. Pretty simple really.. the biggest offenders are parents who just pull their kids out at the merest suggestion of a sniffle.. holiday absence is fairly low..
It seems easier all round to just have the rules and stick to it, that way the limited resource is best used, there is certainly no upside to pulling out children during term time.
Being honest, she says most of the time a few days at the end or start of term isn't such a big deal, but there are definitely times it makes a difference, if a child misses something a bit more crucial she has to dedicate a lot of time to pretty much teaching them what they missed, and that detracts from the support she can then give to other children.. Pretty simple really.. the biggest offenders are parents who just pull their kids out at the merest suggestion of a sniffle.. holiday absence is fairly low..
It seems easier all round to just have the rules and stick to it, that way the limited resource is best used, there is certainly no upside to pulling out children during term time.
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Supply and demand, isn't it? Load of families want to go on holiday at the same time, so places get oversubscribed, and charge more because of it. Other times are cheaper because places want to fill empty rooms and empty airline seats.
Speaking as an education professional, whose job is to advise on evidence based intervention and support, I feel that maybe I am able to comment.
Just as a start point, Google 'Sutton trust' whose purpose is to independently rate various types of educational intervention (including class size reduction, which you state is the 'only' evidence based mechanism 'proven' to improve education). From there, admire how ludicrously incorrect you are.
But hey, perhaps you know best
https://educationendowmentfoundation.org.uk/evidence/teaching-learning-toolkit
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I'm using the word to set it apart from the word holiday - i.e. time away from work but not necessarily "going away somewhere".
Time away from work/education to spend at your discretion, sure. But to "go somewhere on 'holiday'", nope.
I think you're getting confused with "I don't like it" and "it's not fair". You can't use price as a measure of fairness when purchasing a luxury item.
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They've already said they are going to the *****.
Nothing like a democracy where the people are against something, the judiciary backs them up.... So they just change the rules.
My family will never be able to benefit from this as my wife is actually a teacher but good on those who can. My sister does it every year but they just pay the £60 and (using this year as an a ample) their 2 daughters missing 3 days of school saved £760 on the holiday. If they want people to stop, stop letting them get ripped off every single year.
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A holiday isn't a luxury - it's not a sports car. And he isn't complaining about the price in and of itself; he's complaining about the ridiculous fluctuation in price around the holiday period. Supply and demand is such a BS argument when it comes to holidays.
How? It seems like quite a logical one really. Do you not think that if lots of people want to book holidays at a particular time (thus lots of demand for them) then the price would go up? And conversely if fewer people want to book holidays at some other time then the price will go down?
I'm not claiming there is an exact science here, there are other factors affecting price but 'supply and demand' would seem to be quite an important one.
I could have missed months of school and it would not have affected me. All those home ec lessons lol.
But I remember holidays!
I think this is ridiculous. As long as it's one a year is hardly going to hurt a child in terms of education.
But I remember holidays!
I think this is ridiculous. As long as it's one a year is hardly going to hurt a child in terms of education.
Time off work or school isn't a luxury, but a holiday very much is.
And of course he's complaining about the price, as well as the fluctuation in it. Supply (finite) and demand (peak) both play a huge factor in the cost of a holiday, or indeed any market.
Good decision. It puts the decision back into the hands of the parent. A child is not the governments property as much as the government seem to be trying to legislate towards. The parent should have some hand in the raising of their own child.
Obviously make the most of it as the government will be changing the law in short order, just like all those times they were found illegally and unlawfully spying on their own citizens...
Obviously make the most of it as the government will be changing the law in short order, just like all those times they were found illegally and unlawfully spying on their own citizens...
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This is a very positive ruling, in that it will force the definition of a boundary that has previously been undefined.
Why punish people for going outside of something which has never been determined? Madness.
But it's also necessary to consider that a 90% attendance can equal 1 whole month out of school in a year. That isn't good. Looks good on paper, but consider how condensed education is... it really isn't a positive figure.
Those saying "ah, a couple of days to save 1,000s on a hol abroad, where they'll learn more..." well... no. They won't.
Have more respect for your children. Encourage education against all and set them up so they can afford their own holidays, later in life, without restriction.
Why punish people for going outside of something which has never been determined? Madness.
But it's also necessary to consider that a 90% attendance can equal 1 whole month out of school in a year. That isn't good. Looks good on paper, but consider how condensed education is... it really isn't a positive figure.
Those saying "ah, a couple of days to save 1,000s on a hol abroad, where they'll learn more..." well... no. They won't.
Have more respect for your children. Encourage education against all and set them up so they can afford their own holidays, later in life, without restriction.
Or you can teach your child that formal education is not the only form of education, and shouldn't be the only form of education. Teach them that school is important, but that other activities out of school can be just as important.
Yes school is great to teach theory, but actually standing in a castle/cathedral/amphitheatre can be just as educational (if not more) - ordering a loaf of bread or croissants in a French boulangerie is going to be just as educational as reciting pointless phrases in French (why did they never seem to actually teach things you might need in French classes?) and skiing for a week is going to teach you far more than a couple of hours of another football games session..
Teach them that learning doesn't have to be formal and set to a timetable, teach them that as much as things can be fun they can also be educational, teach them discipline by making sure they catch up on what they miss.
Many kids wouldn't be able to do many of the things they would get to do by missing school, and would probably end up with a week on the beach in Skegness instead...
Yes, some people don't do those kinds of trips and would end up in an all inclusive hotel in an English enclave by a beach, but that's where parenting comes in. An extra few days of "bad" parenting isn't going to make a difference when the kid spends much of their life with them...
Like many things there has to be give and take in the education system. Unfortunately it is becoming more "take", "take", "take" by the system with no space for anything or anyone else.
Edit: but I do agree on one point. Taking an entire month off is a long way from sensible parenting. However taking 5-10 days off is not going to majorly affect your child's formal education if you do it at the right time and if you make sure they catch up and do the work they missed. If they are someone that has already taken 5-10 days off "sick" then perhaps that needs to be looked in to as a separate matter... What this law did was remove the any chance of people actually being able to have an educated discussion with teachers about when and why they want time off. Now, rather than "negotiation" parents just say **** it, and take their kids out without telling schools.
Yes school is great to teach theory, but actually standing in a castle/cathedral/amphitheatre can be just as educational (if not more) - ordering a loaf of bread or croissants in a French boulangerie is going to be just as educational as reciting pointless phrases in French (why did they never seem to actually teach things you might need in French classes?) and skiing for a week is going to teach you far more than a couple of hours of another football games session..
Teach them that learning doesn't have to be formal and set to a timetable, teach them that as much as things can be fun they can also be educational, teach them discipline by making sure they catch up on what they miss.
Many kids wouldn't be able to do many of the things they would get to do by missing school, and would probably end up with a week on the beach in Skegness instead...
Yes, some people don't do those kinds of trips and would end up in an all inclusive hotel in an English enclave by a beach, but that's where parenting comes in. An extra few days of "bad" parenting isn't going to make a difference when the kid spends much of their life with them...
Like many things there has to be give and take in the education system. Unfortunately it is becoming more "take", "take", "take" by the system with no space for anything or anyone else.
Edit: but I do agree on one point. Taking an entire month off is a long way from sensible parenting. However taking 5-10 days off is not going to majorly affect your child's formal education if you do it at the right time and if you make sure they catch up and do the work they missed. If they are someone that has already taken 5-10 days off "sick" then perhaps that needs to be looked in to as a separate matter... What this law did was remove the any chance of people actually being able to have an educated discussion with teachers about when and why they want time off. Now, rather than "negotiation" parents just say **** it, and take their kids out without telling schools.
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