BBC license fee proposals...

Again you suggest he "likes the BBC" when actually that's not what he said. he said it is under threat.
http://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2016/may/08/wolf-hall-director-says-bbc-is-under-threat

well it is and you're talking about something completely different - we were discussing the creation of shows like peaky blinders... if you want to talk about editorial control of the BBC then that isn't anything to do with what we've just been discussing, I agree with him there that it should be independent of government and I also oppose selling off channel 4... but you weren't discussing those points!
 
In an insane world.

no it is reality - you don't require a TV license to listen to BBC radio - non TV license holders aren't missing out on that

that radio is funded by license money is another point but not relevant to the fact that currently non license payers are able to listen
 
no it is reality - you don't require a TV license to listen to BBC radio - non TV license holders aren't missing out on that

that radio is funded by license money is another point but not relevant to the fact that currently non license payers are able to listen

Yet clearly relevant to your proposal to break off commercial "wings" of the BBC and to the fact that those services are only available due to the way the BBC is currently funded.
 
Yes and the same can be said of the NHS/Education/Fireservces/Etc etc

I agree but im more than happy to pay my council tax because i use/need them services plus if my house starts to burn id like to think i can ring 999 and it fire service will turn up. Could you imagine if them services went pay as you go and your house went up in flames or you get robbed and they say sorry you didn't pay your subscription lol that would be crap lol
 
I agree but im more than happy to pay my council tax because i use/need them services plus if my house starts to burn id like to think i can ring 999 and it fire service will turn up. Could you imagine if them services went pay as you go and your house went up in flames or you get robbed and they say sorry you didn't pay your subscription lol that would be crap lol

But you'll live in a country who's media is predominantly Americanised. I find it amusing that the very quarters that complain about the cultural incursions of immigration are the same that decry the Beeb...
 

so what?

guy from successful BBC drama says he doesn't think anyone else could make it BBC awesome

guy from successful ITV drama says wouldn't be the same, BBC would meddle

fact is both ITV and the BBC can produce successful dramas, highlighting that people who've gained success under the BBC like the BBC is as futile as highlighting that people who've gained success under ITV like ITV.
 
But you'll live in a country who's media is predominantly Americanised. I find it amusing that the very quarters that complain about the cultural incursions of immigration are the same that decry the Beeb...

stick to quotes/arguments actually presented instead of constructing straw men based on subjective opinions of other posters

if you think someone has a contradictory stance then call it out with quotes so they can clarify or defend it, passive aggressive statements like that are both meaningless and cowardly
 
so what?

guy from successful BBC drama says he doesn't think anyone else could make it BBC awesome

guy from successful ITV drama says wouldn't be the same, BBC would meddle

fact is both ITV and the BBC can produce successful dramas, highlighting that people who've gained success under the BBC like the BBC is as futile as highlighting that people who've gained success under ITV like ITV.

I'm not arguing to prevent the continued success of ITV based drama by changing the way it works, you are arguing to prevent the continued success of BBC output by changing the way it works. What part of that don't you understand!
 
I'm not arguing to prevent the continued success of ITV based drama by changing the way it works, you are arguing to prevent the continued success of BBC output by changing the way it works. What part of that don't you understand!

I'm not arguing 'to prevent the continued success' of the BBC I'm arguing that parts of it could be funded commercially.

you've put forth some argument about Wolf Hall and I've highlighted why it was a bit futile by presenting the fact that someone could make pretty much the same argument about an ITV show

point being both ITV and the BBC can make good dramas
 
I'm not arguing 'to prevent the continued success' of the BBC I'm arguing that parts of it could be funded commercially.

you've put forth some argument about Wolf Hall and I've highlighted why it was a bit futile by presenting the fact that someone could make pretty much the same argument about an ITV show

point being both ITV and the BBC can make good dramas

I'm suggesting that content is changed by advertising and if you've read any Chomsky you might be persuaded that this is the case.
By introducing advertising to the beeb you will remove the main differentiator to that organisations output.

Heck I like some commercial output, ITV have some cracker's in their back catalogue but as I say I'm not trying to turn ITV into the Beeb, the same can't be said the other way round. Your proposals remove what makes the BBC different.
 
or your post is meaningless and has nothing to back the vague accusation being made which you don't have the confidence to direct at anyone in particular

it is just passive aggressive nonsense

Accusations of passive aggression when stating a personal amusement in some peoples position, are arguably in themselves passive aggressive.
Don't you dare state your perception...
 
Not true, this is limited to BBC content only.

If am wrong, how is this justified? The license fee goes straight to the BBC and is not shared between other broadcasters.
You are wrong, it's all content not just the BBC, this is why people are unhappy about it.

Yes we're aware of that, my question was what counts as TV?

If someone sets up a series of shows from their spare room for example at what point do they become a TV channel?
If it's their own content then it's fine. If they are showing any official broadcasters content live it's not.

What don't you watch? If you don't watch any live TV then you don't have to pay. Or are you saying you only watch live ITV/C4 etc (I'd find that very hard to believe when most quality programs are on BBC). Under the new rules if you watch Iplayer you'll need a license, but if you never watch BBC anyway what's the problem?
I don't watch BBC, so why should I pay, is my point. BBC's quality is subjective, as I stated earlier where is my motorsport.

Jay
 
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Accusations of passive aggression when stating a personal amusement in some peoples position, are arguably in themselves passive aggressive.
Don't you dare state your perception...

:confused: I'm asking you to back it up and direct it at whomever you were referring to, I'm not saying a personal perception shouldn't be stated

Which posters complaining about the BBC also 'complain about the cultural incursions of immigration' and what is the basis for that claim?
 
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