High Court Ruling on School Holidays

[Amp34]

Out of curiosity - how does going away during school holidays stop any of the above?

Imagine every child takes off 1 month every school year? The disruption to the class is going to be huge. It's a backward decision.

But most people aren't going to be taking their kids out for a month. We're generally talking a week or two max, and in many cases just a couple of days at the end of a school term.

As for why not do it out of term time - that has already been explained multiple times. Cost. I know when I was younger if my parents hadn't taken me out of school during term times I would not have been able to go on holidays - well I probably would have - camping in a field in Bognor rather than say camping in a field in France/Germany/Belgium/Italy...

The law states that you can't take your kids on holiday during term time. So some people decide they don't agree with the law and proceed to do whatever they like.

What next? I don't agree with 70mph speed limits, so I'll just drive at whatever speed I like and refuse to pay the fines?

It's also a new law that is heavily disliked. It's not a law that has been around for decades. What is essentially civil disobedience seems perfectly reasonable as a way to push the government into removing/replacing/modifying the law.

 

[Amp34]

And it's down to parents to dictate reasonable attendance?

No, it's down to the parents and school to liase and decide, rather than the local authority and government giving no options.

 

[Amp34]

Unless a child has learning difficulties, there is no reason why they can't get A* grades. If a child has all their faculties about them, the only reason for not getting an A* is a lack of effort (effort can even overcome poor teaching). If that lack of effort is then compounded by lack of attendance, then that child is going to be screwed.

I wouldn't say I'm a genious, but I'm averaging 96% at Uni due to sheer effort (highest marks recorded in the last 10 years), shaming many more of the more academically "gifted" students.

Are you publishing all your essays in journals? At 96% you should be, if you're studying in the UK... That or you're on a **** course. There's a reason 70% is a first, unlike other countries. Unless you're going something like maths where there are (kinda) proper right and wrong answers.

 

[RaohNS]

I've just done a search - 5 nights camping in August at Park Foot @ Ullswater, Lake District, £187.50 with electric hook up, £152.50 without electric. It's the same price in term time or in the holidays.

There are plenty of holidays you could have afforded in those years if you had adjusted your expectations to suit your finances, you know, like everyone else does.

Again it is then a case of the poor suffer what they must.

Poor people are forbidden to go abroad on holiday. You only deserve a holiday abroad if 1) you have a good paying job 2) your kids are achieving A* in all subjects and 3) you enlist the child in a local school for the duration of the holiday.

Honestly this thread is like mumsnet for its absurdity

 

[wez130]

If i could 'like' a post, that would be it /\.

I've actually stayed at Park foot in Ullswater a couple of times, and, as nice as it is, i'd much prefer to go to Lake Garda where i came back from yesterday, much more educational for kids than camping at park foot, they'd benefit from visiting the churches there and learning about the catholic religion that is dominant in Italy, the history of the area, see the stunning scenery, sample Italian cuisine and the burning the calories by climbing a mountain or two or hiring a bike and riding around the lake over a few days. There's no comparison to Park foot, where a microwave pizza and french fries from the club house is what you're more likely to get, ok, you could still climb a few fells at park foot but those views just don't compare.

 

[Hades]

I've just done a search - 5 nights camping in August at Park Foot @ Ullswater, Lake District, £187.50 with electric hook up, £152.50 without electric. It's the same price in term time or in the holidays.

There are plenty of holidays you could have afforded in those years if you had adjusted your expectations to suit your finances, you know, like everyone else does.

Nope.

Edit: Here's a thought. Maybe we should force everyone to pay back their student loans after a set period of time even when they have stated they never intend to pay it back. Then my tax burden would be lower and I could afford to take my kids away on a holiday they deserve during school holidays, rather than have to sleep in a tent somewhere Yes I prefer that option

 

[[TW]Fox]

and in many cases just a couple of days at the end of a school term.

Why would it be just a couple of days at the end of term? If you're going to do it, you're going to do it properly and that means a week thats clear of any other holidays to maximise the cost savings.

 

[The Running Man]

Again it is then a case of the poor suffer what they must.

Poor people are forbidden to go abroad on holiday. You only deserve a holiday abroad if 1) you have a good paying job 2) your kids are achieving A* in all subjects and 3) you enlist the child in a local school for the duration of the holiday.

Honestly this thread is like mumsnet for its absurdity

What's being 'poor' got to do with low grades? At the end of the day someone who can afford to take their families to rome or egypt isn't poor anyway.

 

[Deleted member 66701]

Are you publishing all your essays in journals?

Not all of them.

 

[Deleted member 66701]

Nope.

Edit: Here's a thought. Maybe we should force everyone to pay back their student loans after a set period of time even when they have stated they never intend to pay it back. Then my tax burden would be lower and I could afford to take my kids away on a holiday they deserve during school holidays, rather than have to sleep in a tent somewhere Yes I prefer that option

Or.........

You could work harder, get better educated and get a better job so you can go on expensive holidays.

I'm not biting on the student loan bit, you just sound jelly.

 

[Hades]

Or.........

You could work harder, get better educated and get a better job so you can go on expensive holidays.

I'm not biting on the student loan bit, you just sound jelly.

I'm not biting either. But I've made my point after a failed attempt to lecture me. I'm leaving it at that

 

[RaohNS]

What's being 'poor' got to do with low grades? At the end of the day someone who can afford to take their families to rome or egypt isn't poor anyway.

But by design we are poor on 6 occasions each year: First for a week at the end of October, then two weeks over Christmas, then another week at the end of February, then for two weeks in April then another week in May and then poor for the end of July and the entire month of August.

Well some on here link low grades with low pay. As I alluded to earlier in the thread there are a number of people here who trumpet they have little to no education (read qualifications) but now do a very well paying job because of hard work.

 

[wez130]

Or.........

You could work harder, get better educated and get a better job so you can go on expensive holidays.

I'm not biting on the student loan bit, you just sound jelly.

However, it isn't as simple as that is it?

It's a well known fact that there are graduates out there who can't find a well paying job, just like there are people who are less educated who end up earning much more than some well paid graduates, life doesn't always go the way you'd expect does it!

I don't have a university education, i left school at 16 and did 2 years at college and i know damn well i earn more than some teachers / policemen / NHS nurses and a lot of other job titles that require a degree education. I'm sure i'm not the only one

 

[The Running Man]

But by design we are poor on 6 occasions each year: First for a week at the end of October, then two weeks over Christmas, then another week at the end of February, then for two weeks in April then another week in May and then poor for the end of July and the entire month of August.

Well some on here link low grades with low pay. As I alluded to earlier in the thread there are a number of people here who trumpet they have little to no education (read qualifications) but now do a very well paying job because of hard work.

You don't understand the term poor... there was a time within the last 40 years when people were really poor and used to be lucky to have a bath or two per week. Where only one person on the street owned a car - and a three wheeler at that.

You just think you are entitled to holidays and blah blah blah.

Of course people can become well paid with lesser education. However there are links between academic performance and pay which you would be ill advised to ignore.

 

[Deleted member 66701]

But by design we are poor on 6 occasions each year: First for a week at the end of October, then two weeks over Christmas, then another week at the end of February, then for two weeks in April then another week in May and then poor for the end of July and the entire month of August.

Well some on here link low grades with low pay. As I alluded to earlier in the thread there are a number of people here who trumpet they have little to no education (read qualifications) but now do a very well paying job because of hard work.

So, in those times of the year, is food more expensive? Is fuel more expensive? Is it more expensive to heat your home? Are clothes more expensive? Do mobile phone tariffs increase? Is the internet more expensive? Do TV's cost more?

No, the only thing more expensive is a luxury item. Not being able to afford a luxury item (esp when there are perfectly viable cheaper alternatives - I've already illustrated camping doesn't go up in price in the school holidays) does not make you poor. It just means your aspirations are not met due to your financial situation. Deal with it by bettering your financial situation or lower your expectations.

 

[Feef]

This thread is hilarious.

 

[wez130]

I've just done a search - 5 nights camping in August at Park Foot @ Ullswater, Lake District, £187.50 with electric hook up, £152.50 without electric. It's the same price in term time or in the holidays.

There are plenty of holidays you could have afforded in those years if you had adjusted your expectations to suit your finances, you know, like everyone else does.

Actually, i've just done a search too on Park foot for Monday 6th June for 7 nights camping with electric hook up at £176, then Monday 8th August for exactly the same is £245, Bank holiday week is £264.50 which means your theory is flawed, prices even for camping do indeed fluctuate depending on school holidays.

http://www.parkbreaks.com/2/uk/Holi...nN=2&InfantsN=0&PetsN=0&Type=5&Theme=parkfoot

http://www.parkbreaks.com/2/uk/Holi...nN=2&InfantsN=0&PetsN=0&Type=5&Theme=parkfoot

 

[Deleted member 66701]

Actually, i've just done a search too on Park foot for Monday 6th June for 7 nights camping with electric hook up at £176, then Monday 8th August for exactly the same is £245, Bank holiday week is £264.50 which means your theory is flawed, prices even for camping do indeed fluctuate depending on school holidays.

http://www.parkbreaks.com/2/uk/Holi...nN=2&InfantsN=0&PetsN=0&Type=5&Theme=parkfoot

http://www.parkbreaks.com/2/uk/Holi...nN=2&InfantsN=0&PetsN=0&Type=5&Theme=parkfoot

That's weird - when I search direct on the sites website I get the same price for both.

 

[Freakbro]

Again it is then a case of the poor suffer what they must.

Poor people are forbidden to go abroad on holiday.

Are poor people forbidden to have a ferrari as well?

 

[Deleted member 66701]

Are poor people forbidden to have a ferrari as well?

I must be poor because I couldn't afford to go snowboarding in Aspen in February.

It's just as well however that I'm realistic about my financial situation so I settled for 7 days in Whistler instead

do you force them to go to school when they are ill too?

Well, they certainly don't have a day off with the sniffles, a headache or a tummy ache like lots of the other kids seem to do at their school.

i'm glad i'm not your child

Oh don't worry, I'm glad you're not my child too!

i have a decent job.

Such as?