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Geforce GTX 1080 Titan , GTX 1080 Ti
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In your dreams. It doesnt need HBM2 so why put extra expense and add it?
Sure Ive read somewhere this generation the enthusiast gamer top card wont have HBM2.
I simply can't believe people use inflation as a reasoning for price hike for tech products. If they think inflation make so much sense for price hike for graphic card, then may be they should still be paying £2K for HD or Full HD TV instead of 4K TV, because technological advancement over the years is not a thing, and improvement in performance over time people should need to pay a premium for!
The price hike for the Nvidia's card is more like 99% to do with their greed and 1% to do with inflation
Point is if we had same exchange rate as 2007, even the founders card would be under £400 inc VAT.
Since 2007 the change in the exchange rate accounts for ANY card being 50% more than it was in 2007, never mind adding inflation.
In fact, the some none founders cards would be closer to £300.
WOuld you still be complaining then?
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I was quoting inflation, not the exchange rate.
The bottom line reminds that even if we put the exchange rate aside and look at the US pricing, Nvidia has single-handedly increased the launch price by $150 comparing between the launch of the 980 and 1080.
This is presuming they don't make a GP102
Can anyone remember what the US launch price of the 8800gtx was ?
( as that was released somewhere around 2006/2007 )
Edit:Found it
It was $600 and that was almost 10 years ago
So the same price as the OEM GTX 1080's
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Given inflation the 8800 would be $800 in today prices
$700 is the norm for the fastest card at the time.
Please insure images wider than 1280 pixels are resized or placed in spoiler tags as i have done this time. setter.
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Are you serious comparing the 1080 (a glorified 60Ti with a name change) to 8800GTX? It's an a god awful insult to the 8800GTX
The 8800GTX absolutely, utterly destroyed the flagship in the gen before it, with nearly twice the speed/performance.
You can't put the exchange rate aside though, as that has a major impact on pricing.
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I have a feeling those Ti specs on Chip Hell are bang on the money, although I'm not convinced on the Titan ones.
I think a GP102 chip with slightly bigger Die, increased ROPS, and a wider bus using GDDRX5 memory seems very likely!
Of course I am no expert, a noob infact! But I think GP100 will be kept for industrial application
I think a GP102 chip with slightly bigger Die, increased ROPS, and a wider bus using GDDRX5 memory seems very likely!
Of course I am no expert, a noob infact! But I think GP100 will be kept for industrial application
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I was talking about for the launch price in US with a $150 difference: 980 at $549 and 1080 at $699.
If AMD does not make a Fury X style card this year then theres no reason for Titan to have HBM2, or if AMDs card is underwhelming
The way I see it is now they are down to 16nm they might struggle to get another die shrink soon and if they do it might not help much
so that would mean they have to completely redo their microarchitecture which would take a lot of innovation / new ideas and maybe thats becoming harder to achieve ( just like how it is for Intel to increase IPC )
If they avoid HBM2 this year then they could just do next years cards with HBM2 and a couple more features like Ansel and then magically its a new product line
The way I see it is now they are down to 16nm they might struggle to get another die shrink soon and if they do it might not help much
so that would mean they have to completely redo their microarchitecture which would take a lot of innovation / new ideas and maybe thats becoming harder to achieve ( just like how it is for Intel to increase IPC )
If they avoid HBM2 this year then they could just do next years cards with HBM2 and a couple more features like Ansel and then magically its a new product line
Well Nvidia have said the regular MSRP is $599 so only $50 more than the 980.
Obviously we will have to wait and see whether we actually get any cards starting at that price.
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That ATI 4890 was damn cheap for a flagship card...
Are you serious comparing the 1080 (a glorified 60Ti with a name change) to 8800GTX? It's an a god awful insult to the 8800GTX
The 8800GTX absolutely, utterly destroyed the flagship in the gen before it, with nearly twice the speed/performance.
You are wasting your time. People do not want to believe that this card is a mid range card, just like the 980 an 970, just like the 680 and 670. The only true high end 80 card in the 28nm process was the 780 as that was based on the GK110 chip, same as the first Titan.
And like you, I really don't understand this argument, well it's best performing card out now so that makes it high end, and then proceed to compare the price to 8800GTX as some kind of proof that prices haven't gone up.
For the record thought the 980 release price was too high for a mid range card as well. Especially as the 28nm was such a mature process by then.
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I paid £440 for my 8800GTX on Day 1. It smashed the previous gen IRC.
Regardless of exchange rates right now, even if $2 - £1 I don't reckon these would have come in any cheaper than £500.
Fingers crossed for something from AMD soon. The pricing is getting worse, no doubt about it, however, you don;t have to buy it, ultimately there are alternatives
P.S I remember the good old days where I bought the 4870x2 for like £376 on Day 1 (think it went up to £400 after). Stonking card for the money.
Regardless of exchange rates right now, even if $2 - £1 I don't reckon these would have come in any cheaper than £500.
Fingers crossed for something from AMD soon. The pricing is getting worse, no doubt about it, however, you don;t have to buy it, ultimately there are alternatives
P.S I remember the good old days where I bought the 4870x2 for like £376 on Day 1 (think it went up to £400 after). Stonking card for the money.
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Given inflation the 8800 would be $800 in today prices
$700 is the norm for the fastest card at the time.
Please insure images wider than 1280 pixels are resized or placed in spoiler tags as i have done this time. setter.
If you really want to compare it, compare it accurately. The equivalent card in Nvidia's line up during the time of the 8800GTX was the 8800GT. The equivalent card during the time of 480GTX was the 460GTX and during the time of the 580 GTX the 560ti is card you should be looking at.
They are all the cards based on the second string chip, like the GF104, GF114 etc.
You wouldn't have called the 8800GT a high end card, even though it beat the previous gen's high end. Same with the 460 etc. But now it's been called high end because it's called the 1080.
Card aimed at 4k gaming will benefit from HBM2, good excuse to charge premium price too, also this provides reduction in power usage - important for big chip with lots more cores than 1080.
Volume sales are needed for HBM2 to be at reasonable price - P100 won't sell that many.